USB vs PCIe Sound Card for audio analysis

Status
Not open for further replies.
In the same time, I think STEPS is beautiful, but if someone wishes to squeeze the last bit out of the hardware/software, the arta spectra analysis is better..

The first shot is a spectra with the settings of 44k sampling, 997Hz, -11dB gen level, +4dB analog setting, with maxed out spectrum parameters

Then there is the fact that still the full system is limited by the Dac output.
The second shot is showing a 10kHz Victor's osc response.
 

Attachments

  • emu1616mod_-11db_1KHz_loopback+4dbset2ndchancr.PNG
    emu1616mod_-11db_1KHz_loopback+4dbset2ndchancr.PNG
    100.2 KB · Views: 496
  • emu1616m_-18db_10KHz_victor'scr.PNG
    emu1616m_-18db_10KHz_victor'scr.PNG
    104.5 KB · Views: 482
The DAC limits the 1616M. The AK5394A is still the lowest distortion ADC made. The 1616M implementation is very good. Opamp upgrades will help a lot. The oscillators look like they can be swapped directly for the Crystek's.

Maybe I'll attempt another mod (two smoking hulks so far. . . ) I have parts but the FPGA swap did not work.
 
In the same time, I think STEPS is beautiful, but if someone wishes to squeeze the last bit out of the hardware/software, the arta spectra analysis is better..

The first shot is a spectra with the settings of 44k sampling, 997Hz, -11dB gen level, +4dB analog setting, with maxed out spectrum parameters

Then there is the fact that still the full system is limited by the Dac output.
The second shot is showing a 10kHz Victor's osc response.

Hi Joseph K,

Nice performance.
Can you show 10kHz (Victor's osc) with 192kHz sampling and graph up to 100kHz? I'm interested in higher harmonics and noise shaping behavior.
 
Vacuphile,
How high voltage do EMU 0404 supply to OP-amps?

I'm asking because supply is 4,3V on my Focusrite 2i2. If that's the case on EMU then OP-amp min voltage must be considered when choosing replacement OP-amps.
 
I thought 0202 had internal SMPS step-up.

Where do you connect external power?
He's talking about the 0404, the 0202 doesn't use an external supply. It has one less preamp and doesn't have phantom power.

Unfortunately, practically none of the modern interfaces today are USB powered and don't have this "goodness" inside... and their specs don't even come close.
 
Last edited:
He's talking about the 0404, the 0202 doesn't use an external supply. It has one less preamp and doesn't have phantom power.

Agreed. I thought we were talking about the 0404.

Unfortunately, practically none of the modern interfaces today are USB powered and don't have this "goodness" inside... and their specs don't even come close.

I think you mean that the modern interfaces are USB powered, and also have made the design choice to run everything but the phantom power off of 5 v USB power.

I have a few of these gems and they are pale shadows of the 0404 USB performance-wise, as you say.
 
Aha 0404, sorry my mistake.

Here is my 2i2, signal from Viktor's 10kHz osc:

2i2_2.JPG


It's possible to reach -100dB 2nd by lowering input and increase gain (noise penalty). I bought the 2i2 mainly for acoustic measurements and for that it will suffice. Surface3 + 2i2 + MIC = light portable solution.

Now we are awaiting Lynx e22 results.
 
Agreed. I thought we were talking about the 0404.



I think you mean that the modern interfaces are USB powered, and also have made the design choice to run everything but the phantom power off of 5 v USB power.

I have a few of these gems and they are pale shadows of the 0404 USB performance-wise, as you say.

My bad. Yes, I wanted to mention that they ARE all USB powered and that there isn't anything that can match the 0404 performance wise. BTW, the phantom power also runs off the 5V USB, probably using a DC-DC converter or voltage multiplier circuit.

It's possible to reach -100dB 2nd by lowering input and increase gain (noise penalty). I bought the 2i2 mainly for acoustic measurements and for that it will suffice. Surface3 + 2i2 + MIC = light portable solution.

For acoustic measurements, lower specs will suffice. But when you also use the interface for measuring equipment like DACs and like, those USB devices often aren't good enough.
 
Last edited:
Vacuphile,

Also i'm using a laptop. The emu system is dock unit +a pcmcia cardbus card.
i love my old lenovo z61..

AKN,
Here it is the 192k spectra. But first, for comparison and better view i had repeated the 88k shot, with linear scale. Then the 192k, with the same level setting. Lastly, 192k at a higher level, which shows better where the adc distortions are coming in.
It is not that clean any more! That ~75khz junk is the dxternal 48Vdc, switching power supply for the docking station. It is picked up externally, by just connecting the oscillator. The internal topology is full balanced, and do not see this common mode junk. But victors oscillator is single ended, and i had to upset the simmetry at the input connector..
one way to avoid it could be an external, screened single to balanced converter --or a linear power supply..
 

Attachments

  • emu1616m_victors10k-18db_882k_lin.jpg
    emu1616m_victors10k-18db_882k_lin.jpg
    283.8 KB · Views: 405
  • emu1616m_victors10k-18db_192k_lin.jpg
    emu1616m_victors10k-18db_192k_lin.jpg
    286.9 KB · Views: 405
  • emu1616m_victors10k-14db_192k_lin.jpg
    emu1616m_victors10k-14db_192k_lin.jpg
    315.5 KB · Views: 405
Joseph K,

Many thanks for providing measurements! Flat low noise floor and low distortion. E22 for sure looks like a serious contender.

Common mode noise is the enemy. I did run on battery during my test (50Hz up 10dB if not).
 
Status
Not open for further replies.