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Thx! I don't think that the shorter path will better the NFB. Of course if shorter there could be less pollution on the feedback track. But the big iron "SA2014" showed that the feedback wire could be very long.
Signal speed in copper is > 200000km/s ...

BR, Toni
 
Thx! I don't think that the shorter path will better the NFB. Of course if shorter there could be less pollution on the feedback track. But the big iron "SA2014" showed that the feedback wire could be very long.
Signal speed in copper is > 200000km/s ...

BR, Toni

Toni, by the way, have you ever put the 200W CFA in a box and compare the sound with your amps?
BR, Damir
 
Nice performance, very respectable THD numbers, although the bias current seems a tad on the high side in terms of no signal dissipation, how does the bias track over the operating temp range ? It would be an interesting exercise to use a peltier device to "exercise" various manufacturers Mosfet's from say -50 to 150 C. Use a constant current source to force a drain current of say 50 mA and plot the Vgs versus temp characteristic. Years ago I ran some tests of the common "linear audio grade" IRF devices in 200 - 50 V range and they seemed to hover around ~ -4.4 mV/C at 50 mA and behave fairly linearly.
 
Thx! I don't think that the shorter path will better the NFB. Of course if shorter there could be less pollution on the feedback track. But the big iron "SA2014" showed that the feedback wire could be very long.
Signal speed in copper is > 200000km/s ...

BR, Toni

I dont think so,
We dont talking about speed of current.

Shorter NFB that will decrease induction of track.
 
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Wirelenght/inductance of NFB path

attached a simulation of wire inductance of a NFB path length of 5cm, 10cm and 30cm.

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SA2015: using vertical mosfets IXTH80N20L and IXTH48P20P

just sent this to fab. Hopefully no routing errors.
This time a have placed the ground planes on top. The SK76 heatsink can be mounted without isolation washers.

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Nice performance, very respectable THD numbers, although the bias current seems a tad on the high side in terms of no signal dissipation, how does the bias track over the operating temp range ?...
Thx! To which BIAS value /post are you referring? 100 - 150mA for the V-MOSFETs are needed to get good THD results at crossover region. Higher BIAS up to 500mA is possible if you want to get more watts in Class A region. The bias is constant in between 5% from room temperature to > 60-70 degree heatsink temperature.

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I was mainly referencing/thinking of consumer applications like home theatre where 6 channels of fairly high idle dissipation (assumed at least 100 mA) can really add up to high temps within a chassis/enclosure. Perhaps with Cordell style local output stage error correction one could lower the idle current to say 30 - 50 mA and obtain similar THD numbers ?

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Default SA2015: using vertical mosfets IXTH80N20L and IXTH48P20P
Test sample using 1 pair of IXTH80N20L and IXTH48P20P up und running!

Quick THD+N tests (80k bw) with SOA circuit in situ:

THD+N 20k@100W@8R: 0.0035%
THD+N 20k@200W@4R: 0.0042%
 
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You can go for lower bias but THD will increase especially at crossover region. For the SA2016 using L-MOSFETS I have done some test with very low bias. See table at post#1765
For V-MOSFETs you will need always higher bias to get respectable values. Maybe I have some sparetime to repeat measurements also for SA2015/V-MOSFET variants at low bias currents.

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SA2015: using vertical mosfets IXTH80N20L and IXTH48P20P

Outputstage linearity versus bias:
A bias not lower as 150 - 250mA is recommended for good OPS linearity.

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