so you really belive Fred is happy about situation here and for this reason he left?
i´m not joking. Something ´s gone very wrong here. And you do not want to see it.
edit:
jean- paul, what tricks you are playing on me? were is your posting?
I don't play tricks with you or anybody, I simply deleted my post as anybody can do if he/she does not feel like debating.
However I suggest you check your keyboard as the text of your postings becomes less readable by the minute.
Goodnight for now, Till. Tomorrow will be a nice day.
However I suggest you check your keyboard as the text of your postings becomes less readable by the minute.
Goodnight for now, Till. Tomorrow will be a nice day.
my keyboard is a ~15 years old cherry and i will not change it, and my orthography is off topic here, you are allowed to open a new thread about it.
Hi,
Till, J-P,
This is just a little joke so don't get mad at me:
Two PC techies considering their options:
If it isn't the keyboard and it ain't the settings either then surely all we can do is...change the user?
Cheers,😉
Till, J-P,
This is just a little joke so don't get mad at me:
Two PC techies considering their options:
If it isn't the keyboard and it ain't the settings either then surely all we can do is...change the user?
Cheers,😉
Calm down Till, I can already hear the rumble of your Leopard A5's. Metaphorically speaking that is.
Peter Daniel said:
I don't think a moderator should act on what's best for her/him, but what's best for the forum.
Peter Daniel said:
if moving it back to where it belonged is the right thing to do, why do you need to have an impossible to satisfy pre-requisite to do it?
Peter Daniel said:
so you clearly know what's wrong but you have elected to not correct the wrong.
I don't like Fred the least bit (and I can give you a long list of reasons for that but that's another topic). However, what is done to him in this thread is not right and I would fight for him til the end. The guy stuck to the topic and did all he could to try to contribute to the forum. Yet, he was struck out just because he didn't exactly agree with a moderator.
Moderators are all human and they make mistakes. I take that. However, this is such a clear cut case and to have the whole moderator sqod going with Peter on this makes me wonder if the organization is corrupt, for whatever reasons.
Again, I am in agreement with others that Fred is owed an apology.
Geoff said:
I don't know Jason and I don't know why he set up this forum in the first place. What i do know is that we shouldn't be convicting people on perceptions. You are well within your rights to believe that jason is here for the money (and you may very well be right). However, it is NOT right to smear others in public without proof. Think about how you would react if I accused you of profiting from traffic on your site when you did it for the love of it.
Geoff said:
why do you think your sympathies are needed? I for one am perfectly fine if Jason or whoever profited from this site. All I care is that I get something for myself in the process. and if Jason or others profited from this monetarily, more power to him / them: I like win-win situations.
In most Kinder Gardens they have Nap Time when the kids get cranky and beligerent or really to prevent such things from happening.
As adults, for the common good we appoint avatars to preside peace and justuce over the community called Police forces. When there are injustices done by the appointed avatars there is a tribunal process.
This Forum like most discussion groups of all formats all over the world for the past thousands of years have recognized the need for mediation in these venues.
None of these scenarios are perfect, they fail because we as human beings fail. We fail to live up to our ideals, to the standards we set for ourselves, but we pick our selves up, dust ourselves off and try again. Perfection is not something to be achieved, it is rather an ideal we strive for.
What never ceases to amaze me is the people who always want to short cut the learning process, the instant gratification crowd who are never satisfied with the greater goal only that thier needs be catered too, thier voice be more important to the exclusion of all others, the me me me me, self centered, selfish, self rightoues, card carrying anti socialists who are not happy unless everyone apologies to them for disagreeing with thier narrow point of view.
Whew what a rant.
Now does anybody here think that just maybe this may apply to them, even a little bit?
If not, then you are in the wrong place, you should be in the thread entitled, "It's all about me" where you are the only one who can post because your opinion is the only one you want to accept.
Best Regards to all
Anthony
As adults, for the common good we appoint avatars to preside peace and justuce over the community called Police forces. When there are injustices done by the appointed avatars there is a tribunal process.
This Forum like most discussion groups of all formats all over the world for the past thousands of years have recognized the need for mediation in these venues.
None of these scenarios are perfect, they fail because we as human beings fail. We fail to live up to our ideals, to the standards we set for ourselves, but we pick our selves up, dust ourselves off and try again. Perfection is not something to be achieved, it is rather an ideal we strive for.
What never ceases to amaze me is the people who always want to short cut the learning process, the instant gratification crowd who are never satisfied with the greater goal only that thier needs be catered too, thier voice be more important to the exclusion of all others, the me me me me, self centered, selfish, self rightoues, card carrying anti socialists who are not happy unless everyone apologies to them for disagreeing with thier narrow point of view.
Whew what a rant.
Now does anybody here think that just maybe this may apply to them, even a little bit?
If not, then you are in the wrong place, you should be in the thread entitled, "It's all about me" where you are the only one who can post because your opinion is the only one you want to accept.
Best Regards to all
Anthony
peranders said:
Gee...
How old are you?
Are you clever because you are old?
Are you sure that you are old enough?
By the way, I know that few persons can't change a big flow of river. Many of you may say that one solution could be swimming out of the river.
And, it seems that the river is becoming more filled with errors of judgment.
F…
So i´m alone here?
All other members are happy Fred has left?
All other memebers agree with those moderators thing go like they should?
Is this a conspiracy to get rid of one after the other of the skilled and critical members so it will be easier to sell your stuff to the idiots who remain?
All other members are happy Fred has left?
All other memebers agree with those moderators thing go like they should?
Is this a conspiracy to get rid of one after the other of the skilled and critical members so it will be easier to sell your stuff to the idiots who remain?
till said:
How do you expect anyone to take your comments seriously Till? You just managed to call everyone on this forum who is not up to your perception of technical competence a complete idiot.
My perception is this forum is full of people who try to fish some information what to sell to the diycrowd, sell stolen circuit regulator boards, pretend to be heroes because they managed to got a chipamp working and are gainclone gurus now, and are happy to get rid of people with some serios knowledge . Halo, Mr. Jung, Fred. Who next? Grey was halfway gone allready, will Jocko stay at this place? Will the moderators crowd be happy when the managed to move away Nelson Pass also, or what?
Why is nothing happening against this?
Shame on moderators, bring Fred back or resign!
Coulomb, your capslock is broken.
Why is nothing happening against this?
Shame on moderators, bring Fred back or resign!
Coulomb, your capslock is broken.
C'mon Coulomb, don't get so charged up (pun intended), You're nit-picking around Till's grammar. Try getting the message between the lines. What he's basically getting at is absolutely correct. I wonder how well you'd be understood auf Deutsch?
The point is: the forum seems to have lost an enlightened and helpful member in Fred due to moderator ego/incompetence/idiocy/politics/whatever. And hiding behind "Fred's a big boy, he makes his own decisions..." is a load of crap! If you stick a snotball in Fred's Quarter Pounder and he leaves McDonalds after finding it, is that his decision? Obviously not, creampuff.
So mods, get your self-righteous behinds off your ivory towers and mail Fred an apology! Try being big enough to admit when you're wrong. It may be a wonderful new experience for the immortals to taste a bit of humble pie. God knows it's overdue...
The point is: the forum seems to have lost an enlightened and helpful member in Fred due to moderator ego/incompetence/idiocy/politics/whatever. And hiding behind "Fred's a big boy, he makes his own decisions..." is a load of crap! If you stick a snotball in Fred's Quarter Pounder and he leaves McDonalds after finding it, is that his decision? Obviously not, creampuff.
So mods, get your self-righteous behinds off your ivory towers and mail Fred an apology! Try being big enough to admit when you're wrong. It may be a wonderful new experience for the immortals to taste a bit of humble pie. God knows it's overdue...
Till and others,
If Fred left the forum because of this recent incident, then I
am absolutetly not happy with it. However,
we don't really know why Fred left the forum (well there
may be a few who do know, perhaps). I refuse to believe he
left only because of this single incident. He is much to
thickskinned for that. More probably, if we should speculate
at all, he has been tired of the forum and/or certain things
with the forum for quite some time and his decision to leave
has built up over a long time. If so, this incident most likely
was just the tip of the iceberg, a tip he would have reached
sooner or later anyway.
Although, Fred's decision to leave may have to do with
certain moderators or certain aspects of the moderation on
the forum, I am fully convinced there is no deliberate conspiracy
to force Fred away. If that has happened, it has just happened.
One may see unfortunate circumstances, though. One member,
who also happens to be a moderator, have for a long time
harassed Fred, insinuating that maybe Fred doesn't have the
experience with making PCBs that he claims to have (I have
personally never questioned his experience and have trusted
him on this) and asked him to show something. Of course
Fred had no reason whatsoever to do that if he didin't want
to. Eventually he did present one of his own PCB, most
ceratainly because he was so tired of these constant beggings.
What happened? Immediately another member, who happens
to be an ex moderator, and probably has no professional
experience in PCB making in comparison with Fred, jumps in
and complains about the board. Of course this doesn't look good.
However, I am sure nobody meant any harm and that there was
no deliberate conspiracy and I don't think Fred is so paranoid
that he believes that either. One can get enough without
being paranoid, however.
What still puzzles me, and probably many others, is what
was so terrible with the original thread that went to Texas.
My slightly provocative attempt to get an answer early in
this thread didn't give much results, except that we were
told somebody had reported the thread. There was no
hint of what the complaint was about. There are, however,
at least three things we seem to know.
1) Fred and Peter were the "main combattants" in the thread
2) Fred did not report the thread since he complained about it
being moved
3) Neither was Peter the one who reported it since he also
seems unhappy with its relocation to Texas.
And once again, while we seem to be quite a number of people
who question if the moderators did the right thing in this case,
I still think they are generally doing a great job in other cases.
If Fred left the forum because of this recent incident, then I
am absolutetly not happy with it. However,
we don't really know why Fred left the forum (well there
may be a few who do know, perhaps). I refuse to believe he
left only because of this single incident. He is much to
thickskinned for that. More probably, if we should speculate
at all, he has been tired of the forum and/or certain things
with the forum for quite some time and his decision to leave
has built up over a long time. If so, this incident most likely
was just the tip of the iceberg, a tip he would have reached
sooner or later anyway.
Although, Fred's decision to leave may have to do with
certain moderators or certain aspects of the moderation on
the forum, I am fully convinced there is no deliberate conspiracy
to force Fred away. If that has happened, it has just happened.
One may see unfortunate circumstances, though. One member,
who also happens to be a moderator, have for a long time
harassed Fred, insinuating that maybe Fred doesn't have the
experience with making PCBs that he claims to have (I have
personally never questioned his experience and have trusted
him on this) and asked him to show something. Of course
Fred had no reason whatsoever to do that if he didin't want
to. Eventually he did present one of his own PCB, most
ceratainly because he was so tired of these constant beggings.
What happened? Immediately another member, who happens
to be an ex moderator, and probably has no professional
experience in PCB making in comparison with Fred, jumps in
and complains about the board. Of course this doesn't look good.
However, I am sure nobody meant any harm and that there was
no deliberate conspiracy and I don't think Fred is so paranoid
that he believes that either. One can get enough without
being paranoid, however.
What still puzzles me, and probably many others, is what
was so terrible with the original thread that went to Texas.
My slightly provocative attempt to get an answer early in
this thread didn't give much results, except that we were
told somebody had reported the thread. There was no
hint of what the complaint was about. There are, however,
at least three things we seem to know.
1) Fred and Peter were the "main combattants" in the thread
2) Fred did not report the thread since he complained about it
being moved
3) Neither was Peter the one who reported it since he also
seems unhappy with its relocation to Texas.
And once again, while we seem to be quite a number of people
who question if the moderators did the right thing in this case,
I still think they are generally doing a great job in other cases.
Hi,
That alone won't cut it I'm afraid.
It's not just a single incident but a series of them and the general direction the forum is heading to that Fred, and others I might add, isn't too happy with.
You'll need to look at the bigger picture to see what's going on for that.
Cheers,😉
That alone won't cut it I'm afraid.
It's not just a single incident but a series of them and the general direction the forum is heading to that Fred, and others I might add, isn't too happy with.
You'll need to look at the bigger picture to see what's going on for that.
Cheers,😉
Jason and Audiofreak where are you?
Till and fellow members,
I am saddened that Fred has left but can you blame him? The quality of the forum is on a downward spiral as more experienced members stop posting because of the fear of being ripped off by the likes of Peranders and others.
It is also regretful that the older moderators have decided to turn a blind eye to this........I guess self preservation is more important than morality. We have to listen to them give us ******** excuses like "peer review", I wonder if they would let us look at what happens in the moderators forum,
Soon the forum will be left with a bunch of wannabe morons...............much like the blind leading the blind.
Regards,
Jam
Till and fellow members,
I am saddened that Fred has left but can you blame him? The quality of the forum is on a downward spiral as more experienced members stop posting because of the fear of being ripped off by the likes of Peranders and others.
It is also regretful that the older moderators have decided to turn a blind eye to this........I guess self preservation is more important than morality. We have to listen to them give us ******** excuses like "peer review", I wonder if they would let us look at what happens in the moderators forum,
Soon the forum will be left with a bunch of wannabe morons...............much like the blind leading the blind.
Regards,
Jam
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fdegrove said:
I tried to submit a larger picture, but I had to resize it. 🙂
Jokes apart, I agree, and I think we are both saying the same
thing.
Re: Jason and Audiofreak where are you?
Jam, may I remind you that you can of course express yourself freely but calling fellow members/mods names is not appropriate nor allowed. You can make your point without doing that.
This goes for all members. Show some respect and get some respect. Win some, loose some....
jam said:
Jam, may I remind you that you can of course express yourself freely but calling fellow members/mods names is not appropriate nor allowed. You can make your point without doing that.
This goes for all members. Show some respect and get some respect. Win some, loose some....
Hi,
Errr..how many postings by Fred do you count in that thread?
Let me tell you what it was: a cheap, very cheap shot.
I am sure Fred was laughing as hard as I was while reading all the silly comments by the glorified ignorami.
If Fred decided to take early retirement it must have been to allow sufficient time for his jaws to recover from all the laughter.
Other than that, I think what's so upsetting about it is that the thread was just shoveled out of sight without further action from the board of moderators.
Tell me, if someone else's signature would have been under the cheap postings would it have been treated the same way?
Yes, Bin Sin must really Bin Sick...
I spotted it the very moment I hit the submit button....almost had an heartattack laughing.
Cheers, 😉
Errr..how many postings by Fred do you count in that thread?
Let me tell you what it was: a cheap, very cheap shot.
I am sure Fred was laughing as hard as I was while reading all the silly comments by the glorified ignorami.
If Fred decided to take early retirement it must have been to allow sufficient time for his jaws to recover from all the laughter.
Other than that, I think what's so upsetting about it is that the thread was just shoveled out of sight without further action from the board of moderators.
Tell me, if someone else's signature would have been under the cheap postings would it have been treated the same way?
Yes, Bin Sin must really Bin Sick...
I spotted it the very moment I hit the submit button....almost had an heartattack laughing.
Cheers, 😉
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