It is irrelevant that a mistake may have been made. The reason I would not reopen the thread without the permission of Fred is out of politeness, as he is no longer in a position to respond to any posts made there.
i see. moderators mistakes are irrelevant.
ordinary members mistakes cause moderators warnings, sin bin, and bann.
some are more equal....
Anger feeding the hunger!
Till,
Nothing personal here, and I am not picking a fight or anything like that.🙂 But when I read the quoted post like this one I kind of like saying to myself
" G s what does this fellow want? Blood? If this fellow thinks he can do a better job why does not him offer or apply for the job to make the world a better place? So much anger so stressful on a Sunday morning"
Opps, its time for me to prepare coffee and make some slices of toast now... the kids and wife are getting up soon. Nice day today I think. But Regan passed away..sad...
Best Regards,
Chris Ma
till said:
Till,
Nothing personal here, and I am not picking a fight or anything like that.🙂 But when I read the quoted post like this one I kind of like saying to myself
" G s what does this fellow want? Blood? If this fellow thinks he can do a better job why does not him offer or apply for the job to make the world a better place? So much anger so stressful on a Sunday morning"
Opps, its time for me to prepare coffee and make some slices of toast now... the kids and wife are getting up soon. Nice day today I think. But Regan passed away..sad...
Best Regards,
Chris Ma
I've been banned from 2 forums in the past.... 2 I tell you.... maybe if I was a moderator here, I wouldn't run that risk again... lol
hey, get real!
moderators moving threads to texas because the don´t LIKE them, but telling moderators mistakes are irrelevant?
moderators banning members because of childish differences like in case of halo?
fascism?
moderators moving threads to texas because the don´t LIKE them, but telling moderators mistakes are irrelevant?
moderators banning members because of childish differences like in case of halo?
fascism?
That old chestnut again....
Halojoy has been offered membership back in both English and Swedish (just in case there was any mis-understanding).
All he has to do is to agree to follow the forum rules - as all other members do.
He refuses, so what can we do....
Nevertheless, the door is still open for him, if he chooses.
At one end of the spectrum is dictatorship, and at the other end anarchy. We want neither, but peaceful coexistance and lively debate. Most of our 13K membership seem to enjoy that.
Halojoy has been offered membership back in both English and Swedish (just in case there was any mis-understanding).
All he has to do is to agree to follow the forum rules - as all other members do.
He refuses, so what can we do....
Nevertheless, the door is still open for him, if he chooses.
At one end of the spectrum is dictatorship, and at the other end anarchy. We want neither, but peaceful coexistance and lively debate. Most of our 13K membership seem to enjoy that.
and why don´t you move the on topic portion of Freds thread back?
the excuse above can not be serios.
would it harm a moderators ego?
the excuse above can not be serios.
would it harm a moderators ego?
Till, it's pretty much like trying to unscramble an egg; the slight amount of useful and relevant comment is inextricably intertwined with gaseous garbage. The thread is still there for you (or anyone else) to read; If there's anything relevant in there that you think merits further discussion, feel free to start a new topic on it.
Till
I know you believe there should be no moderation at all on diyAudio. I happen to disagree. 😉
Anyway, the point I was trying to make was that any mistake, by mod or member was irrelevant.
It was Fred's thread, and I wouldn't open it again without hearing from him personally.
Is that clearer?
As for Halo, you know perfectly well he was banned because he had IP protected material on his website, linked to from his signature.
p.s. I strongly reject the accusations of facism... I'm a Pinko Commie Subversive, from the Peoples Republic of South Yorkshire I'll have you know!
I know you believe there should be no moderation at all on diyAudio. I happen to disagree. 😉
Anyway, the point I was trying to make was that any mistake, by mod or member was irrelevant.
It was Fred's thread, and I wouldn't open it again without hearing from him personally.
Is that clearer?
As for Halo, you know perfectly well he was banned because he had IP protected material on his website, linked to from his signature.
p.s. I strongly reject the accusations of facism... I'm a Pinko Commie Subversive, from the Peoples Republic of South Yorkshire I'll have you know!
what is against moving at least the first posting back?
Fred started this thread because he did not like the other one moved to texas. Its up to YOU to give him a sign. Its up to the moderators the get him back for us.
Fred started this thread because he did not like the other one moved to texas. Its up to YOU to give him a sign. Its up to the moderators the get him back for us.
I was pretty much involved in that thread, and I admit, I might have put some unnecesary oil to the fire, but as it was mentioned somehwere else, "certain old animosities have been used to unfairly pressure some members" (and this applies to both sides). So whatever was done is done.
Moving the thread to Texas wasn't in my best interests, as it leaves certain things still unsorted, but since the person who started the thread in question is no longer here, I don't think it's a good idea to bring it back without him asking for that specifically (now). After all it, it was him trying to prove certain points, and since he decided to take a break, he cannot continue explaining those points any further. As a result, any subsequent discussion will bring only more animosity.
I was in contact with Fred by means of PM, and I already explained to him why I acted like that and in some ways apologized for that. I think the pressure between us is greatly reduced, and I hope that in a future, we'll be able to share the forum space on much better terms. That is if he ever decides to come back, which I honestly hope for.
Moving the thread to Texas wasn't in my best interests, as it leaves certain things still unsorted, but since the person who started the thread in question is no longer here, I don't think it's a good idea to bring it back without him asking for that specifically (now). After all it, it was him trying to prove certain points, and since he decided to take a break, he cannot continue explaining those points any further. As a result, any subsequent discussion will bring only more animosity.
I was in contact with Fred by means of PM, and I already explained to him why I acted like that and in some ways apologized for that. I think the pressure between us is greatly reduced, and I hope that in a future, we'll be able to share the forum space on much better terms. That is if he ever decides to come back, which I honestly hope for.
till said:
Hey Till, get real! You KNOW he didn't mean that moderators' mistakes are irrelevant. He said it in the context of moving the thread, out of politeness to FD. The way you twist it around, you can prove anything by anything. What are you aiming at, if not a fight?
Jan Didden
Till if you would meet some us in real life, not knowing us especially well, would you then use this kind of language? Is it the anonymity that make you this way. Do you know what fascism is? Braking rules that everybody agrees on (you have pushed the botton), is that childish differences?till said:
If you check halo's status, is he banned? No he isn't. You haven't bother to check facts, which is really easy in this case.
Till, I know that you have got email from halo. I have had email exchange with halo (more times that you have?) but it's impossible to keep a normal dialogue with him, not even in his native language swedish. halo is an older man and he isn't well. I think you have gathered that. We aren't mean to him!
It means that you know only a part of the problem still you think you know it all and make judgements from that.
halo has caused some people trouble, much more serious than linking copyrighted material and porn. The problem is that halo can't realize that.
halo can come back. He has got conditions for it and those are the forum rules, no more and no less. He chooses not to reply to our emails and shows otherwise no signs of wanting getting back. End of story.
Once again you don't know what it takes to be sinbinned or banned. A small simple mistake.... no no. Repeated offences and no will to comunicate and this is behind the scenes. If you count, how many of all 13860 members are banned? How many members of 13860 has been sinbinned? How many posts of 410324 have ended up in Texas?till said:
If you put perspective on things, is this a small or huge phenomina?
The problem is microscopic!
Possibly a solution
A solution to a big part of this attitude problem agains the moderators could be to simply make a permanent thread in wich the communication between moderators could happen and where only moderators can post (naturally posting the replies from members to moderators there as well, but put in the thread by the mods) in the open for all to see. It seems to me that if the moderators are as hard on eachother and generally are discussing desicions throughoutly before making them, all out in the open, it should get rid of this issue.
Would there be any drawbacks of such a solution??
Magura🙂
A solution to a big part of this attitude problem agains the moderators could be to simply make a permanent thread in wich the communication between moderators could happen and where only moderators can post (naturally posting the replies from members to moderators there as well, but put in the thread by the mods) in the open for all to see. It seems to me that if the moderators are as hard on eachother and generally are discussing desicions throughoutly before making them, all out in the open, it should get rid of this issue.
Would there be any drawbacks of such a solution??
Magura🙂
It is something we have discussed, but the current consensus is that it would prevent mods expressing themselves freely on important matters. However, we will be constantly reviewing that policy, as we do with just about everything to do with moderating...🙂
Re: Possibly a solution
Yes. It would make moderation 100% INeffective, and futile to try.
Admit it, we are so childish that we NEED someone behind the scenes who can work quietly to try to keep us afloat. That's human nature for you.
Jan Didden
Magura said:
Yes. It would make moderation 100% INeffective, and futile to try.
Admit it, we are so childish that we NEED someone behind the scenes who can work quietly to try to keep us afloat. That's human nature for you.
Jan Didden
peranders said:
As in many cases, the problem is not the quantity but the quality...
... and quality problems are NEVER microscopic, IMO.
Milan
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