peranders,
you example is far from reallity, most of those 13860 members are never seen anymore on the board, they are passiv. So you can´t use the number for your statistik how many are sinbinned. And yes, i know what little bit is necessary to be sinbinned. Check sinbin #33, no warnings, no comments, sinbin for posting a picture published in large and legal internet newspages before! Reason was not IP issues as i was told later. No excuse for this ridicoulous and political tendecios action by the moderator. Censur.
I undersatnd halo is not well, and this is one reason more we have to try communiccation with him, help him, and be indulgent with him. To exclude people like him is the wrong way to treat human beeings like him.
What happened here is not microscopic and unimportnat, no matter if you tell there are 14k members on this board (should i take a lame excuse as this serois?) or if you say there are 500 million users on the internet....
Moderators are responsible for scareing away the old and valuable boards member Fred by moving his thread they disliked to the trashbin. This is censur and injustice, they show not for the first time. It is important and its up to you to make your mistake unhappened or take resposiblitity and resign.
If you do not like the word fascism for your abuse of moderators power, ok, i say stalinism. Any better?
Else i do not belong to communists subversive underground like pinkmouse, i hold it with Bakunin or with W.Morris.
you example is far from reallity, most of those 13860 members are never seen anymore on the board, they are passiv. So you can´t use the number for your statistik how many are sinbinned. And yes, i know what little bit is necessary to be sinbinned. Check sinbin #33, no warnings, no comments, sinbin for posting a picture published in large and legal internet newspages before! Reason was not IP issues as i was told later. No excuse for this ridicoulous and political tendecios action by the moderator. Censur.
I undersatnd halo is not well, and this is one reason more we have to try communiccation with him, help him, and be indulgent with him. To exclude people like him is the wrong way to treat human beeings like him.
What happened here is not microscopic and unimportnat, no matter if you tell there are 14k members on this board (should i take a lame excuse as this serois?) or if you say there are 500 million users on the internet....
Moderators are responsible for scareing away the old and valuable boards member Fred by moving his thread they disliked to the trashbin. This is censur and injustice, they show not for the first time. It is important and its up to you to make your mistake unhappened or take resposiblitity and resign.
If you do not like the word fascism for your abuse of moderators power, ok, i say stalinism. Any better?
Else i do not belong to communists subversive underground like pinkmouse, i hold it with Bakunin or with W.Morris.
Hi,
Till and all involved,
Halo has not been banned, excluded or whatever you'd like to call it to the best of my knowledge.
It is his wish not to participate any longer. I respect that, so do others, can you?
Putting it a different way, Halo does not want to respect the forum rules.
As these are the conditions to be respected by any member regardless of mental state, health, politics, whatever, it should be clear that once you make an exception for one person all hell will break lose as others will follow using it as a pretext for misconduct.
Which brings me to the essence of this thread and what I feel is the reason for other members' grief:
Why is it that some members seem to be getting away with whatever they feel like whereas others get reprimanded for it?
Is it because they contribute financially to the forum in a hidden way?
If so, what's the solution to it? Paid membership at a given flatrate?
Is it because they're testing the waters for future endeavours?
Is it O.K. to unashamedly ripp off someone's I/P and than present it here as a commercial product for other members to buy?
Clearly something is not quite kosher but it will take some time to sort it out.
I'd like to give the owners and moderators a vote a confidence on this and other matters hanging.
They were able to sort things out in the past, were they not?
In the meantime at least one member felt it appropriate to make a bold statement about this, I respect that too.
Cheers,😉
Till and all involved,
Halo has not been banned, excluded or whatever you'd like to call it to the best of my knowledge.
It is his wish not to participate any longer. I respect that, so do others, can you?
Putting it a different way, Halo does not want to respect the forum rules.
As these are the conditions to be respected by any member regardless of mental state, health, politics, whatever, it should be clear that once you make an exception for one person all hell will break lose as others will follow using it as a pretext for misconduct.
Which brings me to the essence of this thread and what I feel is the reason for other members' grief:
Why is it that some members seem to be getting away with whatever they feel like whereas others get reprimanded for it?
Is it because they contribute financially to the forum in a hidden way?
If so, what's the solution to it? Paid membership at a given flatrate?
Is it because they're testing the waters for future endeavours?
Is it O.K. to unashamedly ripp off someone's I/P and than present it here as a commercial product for other members to buy?
Clearly something is not quite kosher but it will take some time to sort it out.
I'd like to give the owners and moderators a vote a confidence on this and other matters hanging.
They were able to sort things out in the past, were they not?
In the meantime at least one member felt it appropriate to make a bold statement about this, I respect that too.
Cheers,😉
What's wrong with you ? Fred did chose to resign not because of this thread. Moving or doing whatever with this thread does not make hime come back.
BTW if a member gets scared away because his thread has been moved I think he/she should not go to forums at all.
fdegrove said:
Frank, if you don't know the answer, then don't bother to answer.
Are you getting money to post?😀
Actually I would like to know the story of this site, who started this, who is behind this.
It could be a permanent thread.
Or is this a secret organization?😱
Funny thing, I've checked the rules and the moderators don't like that you post with the CAPS LOCK ON.
so you do not see any connections between "Since my thread went to Texas........."; moderators action to move his thread, and his descission?
hey mods, when the last skilled member ´s gone, and only idiots are left, will you feel you have won?
hey mods, when the last skilled member ´s gone, and only idiots are left, will you feel you have won?
Fred isn't a chicken who can't take the heat. If we say: Please Fred, would you go away, please? Would Fred peacefully walk away? Certainly not! The decision was his alone. Fred takes no orders.
you moderators did a bad job to the diyaudio community, did some mistake you shoud be ashame of, and keep on defending your action and beeing proud of it.
You are incompetent to do your job. Do you feel well now with what you have done?
You are incompetent to do your job. Do you feel well now with what you have done?
This is all sounding a little serious... have I missed some huge issues in the past before my time here or something?
Steve
Steve
fdegrove said:
Frank
You posted this reply to a question regarding "who owns this site?"
Are you seriously suggesting that Jason went to the trouble and expense of setting up this forum with purely altruistic motives?
Surely it is far more likely that he did so with the expectation that, if it became successful, there would be some monetary gain in it for him.
He has managed to pass on the problems of day-to-day running and house-keeping to AudioFreak, who presumably receives no financial renumeration, and of member control to various unpaid 'moderators'. He has even been able to get the cost of this year's hosting covered by a 'sponser'.
We have been warned by the moderators to expect further commercialization of the forum, which will presumably give more financial return to our currently 'absent landlord'.
People set up websites and forums for two reasons. One, to make money in the longer term or two, to pass on knowledge and/or information. I wonder within which category this site falls. If it is the former, then my sympathies go to those who are providing unpaid help to line the pockets of the site owner.
Geoff
till said:
Who is "you"? It is not nice to speak about someone without saying his name Till.
I doubt if you realize what "job" we have. If you think anarchy is gonna work start a forum yourself. You'll quickly learn moderation is necessary. There will be people joining that cannot cope with the "invisibility" internet brings. Some even like little riots.
Thanks for the compliments anyhow if it is me who you are refering to. I feel very well and I feel no guilt, doubt or whatever it is you want me to feel. I also don't feel any responsibility when a member choses to resign. That his/her choice and I respect that choice. Nobody made Fred do what he did. He just left for his own reasons. Maybe he checks the site now and then, I bet he'll laugh his pants off when he reads all the fuss.
Words like fascism and stalinism are completely out of context. You could be a bit more thoughtful when writing such things down. This is a free site made by its members, not a country or a government. There is a lot of freedom here that not many sites offer and we'll do anything to keep it that way for all of you/us.
Maybe we must take you age into account here? Would you dare to say this in real life, people you don't know very much? Maybe you have a habbit to scream at your teacher or headmaster "YOU ARE INCOMPETENT TO DO YOUR JOB".till said:
Since he sends messages to you, why don't you try to get something out of halo. My patience is rather big, not huge, I'm afraid. My limit is reached there.till said:
Idiots…fascism…Stalinism…
Those aren’t the words a reasonable man should use.
There’s little or nothing to gain or solve with that.
Carefully chosen statements are the vocabulary of diplomats even if they are angry.
Mud throwers mostly attain the opposite of what there intentions are.
Be serious Till, shouldn’t you take a little break? 😉
/Hugo
Those aren’t the words a reasonable man should use.
There’s little or nothing to gain or solve with that.
Carefully chosen statements are the vocabulary of diplomats even if they are angry.
Mud throwers mostly attain the opposite of what there intentions are.
Be serious Till, shouldn’t you take a little break? 😉
/Hugo
Hi,
Geoff,
When I replied "You do" to Carlos I meant it in the sense that a forum, any forum, is what its members make of it.
Nothing more nothing less.
Whoever owns the servers, does the housekeeping and so on isn't really relevant but I'm sure it's no secret either.
Basically, when I joined the forum I didn't have this information either yet it did not stop me from posting or enjoying other members' postings.
After a while I discovered that Jason was working for a company (Sitepoint I think the name is) where he managed to obtain the necessary hardware, software and bandwidth to run this forum from.
Whatever the ulterior motives were, even if he had making money in mind, he, the people behind the scenes_ were there any?_ and the moderators certainly provided the environment for the huge success this forum has turned out to be.
IMHO this is unique, very much so indeed.
About 8 months ago it became obvious that, considering the growing number of members, the forum could no longer exist on the back of Jason's generous employers.
Therefore alternative means for paying the bills had to be found.
This was discussed here in the open under Audiofreak's guidance and input from every member was welcomed.
As it turned out some bannerspace was sold and probably some other sources of income found to secure the forums' future.
As far as I'm concerned, as long as the commercial aspects don't interfere with the intermember dialogues on the forum then that's absolutely fine by me.
Well, if you volunteer for a job or are asked to volunteer and you accept it I fail to see a problem.
As for the cost of running the forum; shouldn't we all be glad that we, as members, don't have to worry about that for at least some time to come?
I'd say thank you guys for keeping it all free to us...
IOW, if you're trying to imply something here I just refuse to read it between the lines for it seems unfair.
There are plenty of other forums around and even if this one should go "more commercial" as you put it, I am sure that whoever's in charge will do the best he can to make sure it won't interfere with the members' activity here.
To give you an example of how it could be worse:
I'm a moderator of a similar, yet far smaller, Belgian forum where it is strictly off limit to even provide a link to a foreign importer, distributor, manufacturer of audio gear if this gear is available through similar channels in Belgium or is considered a competitor of available goods in Belgium.
Pics can't be hosted locally and the management exerts the right to delete and move postings out of sight whenever they see fit.
You're supposed to read the rules before you join so the choice is yours. Simple as that.
Granted, some people have complained about this but most understand and accept that someone has to pay the bills.
Here at diyaudio.com it often seems that the more you give the more they want...Sure sounds familiar, no?
That's of course just my opinion based on how I perceive it from past experience.
Hope this helps,😉
Geoff,
When I replied "You do" to Carlos I meant it in the sense that a forum, any forum, is what its members make of it.
Nothing more nothing less.
Whoever owns the servers, does the housekeeping and so on isn't really relevant but I'm sure it's no secret either.
Basically, when I joined the forum I didn't have this information either yet it did not stop me from posting or enjoying other members' postings.
After a while I discovered that Jason was working for a company (Sitepoint I think the name is) where he managed to obtain the necessary hardware, software and bandwidth to run this forum from.
Whatever the ulterior motives were, even if he had making money in mind, he, the people behind the scenes_ were there any?_ and the moderators certainly provided the environment for the huge success this forum has turned out to be.
IMHO this is unique, very much so indeed.
About 8 months ago it became obvious that, considering the growing number of members, the forum could no longer exist on the back of Jason's generous employers.
Therefore alternative means for paying the bills had to be found.
This was discussed here in the open under Audiofreak's guidance and input from every member was welcomed.
As it turned out some bannerspace was sold and probably some other sources of income found to secure the forums' future.
As far as I'm concerned, as long as the commercial aspects don't interfere with the intermember dialogues on the forum then that's absolutely fine by me.
Well, if you volunteer for a job or are asked to volunteer and you accept it I fail to see a problem.
As for the cost of running the forum; shouldn't we all be glad that we, as members, don't have to worry about that for at least some time to come?
I'd say thank you guys for keeping it all free to us...
IOW, if you're trying to imply something here I just refuse to read it between the lines for it seems unfair.
There are plenty of other forums around and even if this one should go "more commercial" as you put it, I am sure that whoever's in charge will do the best he can to make sure it won't interfere with the members' activity here.
To give you an example of how it could be worse:
I'm a moderator of a similar, yet far smaller, Belgian forum where it is strictly off limit to even provide a link to a foreign importer, distributor, manufacturer of audio gear if this gear is available through similar channels in Belgium or is considered a competitor of available goods in Belgium.
Pics can't be hosted locally and the management exerts the right to delete and move postings out of sight whenever they see fit.
You're supposed to read the rules before you join so the choice is yours. Simple as that.
Granted, some people have complained about this but most understand and accept that someone has to pay the bills.
Here at diyaudio.com it often seems that the more you give the more they want...Sure sounds familiar, no?
That's of course just my opinion based on how I perceive it from past experience.
Hope this helps,😉
per anders, you may play the age - card (and fail with this), the political correctnes card, and whatever you want. It is off topic and does not justify the mistakes made here.
My mails with halo never were any kind of problem for me. We all know YOU have some differences with SOME members on this boards, for different reasons related to YOUR behavior and understandment what purposes this board serve for YOU and you hobby business.
I have no problems discussing YOUR communication problems with halo, YOUR problems with my age, YOUR problems with words i use and i´m not the first one to use them on this board - in another thread, in private mail, and if you want eye to eye, but you would have to invite me to your place. (You would be welcome to mine but i have not really much or luxourios space.)
In this thread all i want to discuss with you is YOUR failure as a moderator, as moderators action caused the loss of Fred D. as a fellow member.
My mails with halo never were any kind of problem for me. We all know YOU have some differences with SOME members on this boards, for different reasons related to YOUR behavior and understandment what purposes this board serve for YOU and you hobby business.
I have no problems discussing YOUR communication problems with halo, YOUR problems with my age, YOUR problems with words i use and i´m not the first one to use them on this board - in another thread, in private mail, and if you want eye to eye, but you would have to invite me to your place. (You would be welcome to mine but i have not really much or luxourios space.)
In this thread all i want to discuss with you is YOUR failure as a moderator, as moderators action caused the loss of Fred D. as a fellow member.
Hi,
Maybe but I think that's an assumption on your part.
Either way, no one asked Fred to leave.
It was his decision and I think Fred would appreciate it if that wasn't discussed here.
Cheers,😉
Edit: Thank you, Jean-Paul.
Maybe but I think that's an assumption on your part.
Either way, no one asked Fred to leave.
It was his decision and I think Fred would appreciate it if that wasn't discussed here.
Cheers,😉
Edit: Thank you, Jean-Paul.
Geoff and Frank,
Thanks for the explanations, my question was really innocent, I just whanted to know.
Frank, now I get what you mean.😉
I don't really care if there are commercial interests on this, I think everyone has to do something for living, i'm not naive.
As long as windows and popups don't keep jumping at me (as in yahoo), fine.😀
BTW do you guys really think that everything will be for free on the internet forever?
Thanks for the explanations, my question was really innocent, I just whanted to know.
Frank, now I get what you mean.😉
I don't really care if there are commercial interests on this, I think everyone has to do something for living, i'm not naive.
As long as windows and popups don't keep jumping at me (as in yahoo), fine.😀
BTW do you guys really think that everything will be for free on the internet forever?
wrong tempus.
It was a free site up to the point the moderators took over power.
The connection between Fred leaving and what happened before is obvios. Just go and read the title of this thread.
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