This could get worse if the threatened tariff wars ensue.Agreed. I'd go as far as to say we shouldn't consider Dayton drivers, unless one just seemed perfect for the job. Faital, Peerless and SB Acoustics are very reasonably priced in the US as well as Europe.
If the box is over 50L, I think a 12" makes sense.Two design questions:
Is a 12" woofer the ideal for this particular project? I vote yes.
Are 4-ohm woofers okay? I am indifferent.
This 15" could work sealed. The f3 is about 40hz, but the x-max is very small. Probably not a better choice than a 12", but interesting. Is GRS available in other countries?
https://www.parts-express.com/pedocs/specs/290-184--grs-rsrmo-8-spec-sheet.pdf
https://www.parts-express.com/pedocs/specs/290-184--grs-rsrmo-8-spec-sheet.pdf
That particular midrange model isn't available at Parts Express (not sure if anywhere else in the U.S. might carry it).what i would do probally (EU)
tweeter: SB SB26ADC (50.64€)
mid: Faital 6FE125 (44.46€)
woofer: Faital 10FE330 (106€)
Compare the FE10FE330 to the Peerless SLS 830669 12". The Peerless is 40% cheaper than the FaitalPro here in the U.S., it looks like they are about the same price in Europe.
Yes. While I like GRS for a LOW budget build, the Peerless, FaitalPro, SB Acoustics, etc. are going to be technically superior.... Is GRS available in other countries?
Let's design for both. The Peerless is lower sensitivity, and might allow for lower sensitivity mids. Needs about 3 cu-ft, or about 90L approximately.That particular midrange model isn't available at Parts Express (not sure if anywhere else in the U.S. might carry it).
Compare the FE10FE330 to the Peerless SLS 830669 12". The Peerless is 40% cheaper than the FaitalPro here in the U.S., it looks like they are about the same price in Europe.
You know, this cheap (CA$34!) plastic 5" SBA is a good candidate for a mid in a budget 3-way. FR & dispersion looks pretty good out to 2.5-3 kHz. Theoretical SPLmax is ~105 dB at 500Hz. Might want to pressure-brace the magnet to keep the frame from vibrating too much.
https://solen.ca/en/products/sb-acoustics-sb13pfcr25-8-15cm-fiber-cone-midwoofer-8ohm
https://loudspeakerdatabase.com/SB/SB13PFC25-8
https://solen.ca/en/products/sb-acoustics-sb13pfcr25-8-15cm-fiber-cone-midwoofer-8ohm
https://loudspeakerdatabase.com/SB/SB13PFC25-8
I know the question was asked earlier, "who has a measurement mic". But more importantly, who with a measurement mic is going to build prototype 90L cabinets... And possibly multiples if you want designs for 10" and 12" woofers.Let's design for both...
I am designing a slim TMWW with it (beginning in May). It's a great value, although I personally would go with the Peerless NE149W-8 for the Monkey Coffin design if it were me.You know, this cheap (CA$34!) plastic 5" SBA is a good candidate for a mid in a budget 3-way. ..
I have a measurment mic and so, but i don't have time in the near future for building myself. But if someone in western Belgium or northern France build it but can't measure, i can help. I live in the region of Tournai (or Doornik in dutch) in Belgium.
For my setup it's not sensitive enough to use a passive crossover. I would need something arround 90dB/2.83v to match the woofer.You know, this cheap (CA$34!) plastic 5" SBA is a good candidate for a mid in a budget 3-way. FR & dispersion looks pretty good out to 2.5-3 kHz. Theoretical SPLmax is ~105 dB at 500Hz. Might want to pressure-brace the magnet to keep the frame from vibrating too much.
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https://solen.ca/en/products/sb-acoustics-sb13pfcr25-8-15cm-fiber-cone-midwoofer-8ohm
https://loudspeakerdatabase.com/SB/SB13PFC25-8
But for lower sensitive woofers this is not a bad choice for this.
I don't thinnk that bump is a big problem to be honest, but you could also try the 6FE200 8Ω that is 48.80€, it's very similar but without bump. But you will have to attenuate that driver more (should not be a big problem). Or maybe the 5FE100 (36.87€), altough i don't know if this driver will have enough power to go loud without much distortion. You will have to crooss that higher probally.Woofer, and tweeter look great. I assume the tweeter can cross at 2k, or lower. The mid has a little bump up high. I know that can be dealt with in the x-over, but something without that bump might be easier. Overall, I think a good start. How available are these drivers elsewhere?
Th SB26ADC can be crossed low, arround 1000Hz even without a waveguide. But i would rather go for about 1800Hz to keep some more headroom. Troels did test it and so did Hificompas and this tweeter is a gem for it's price. Very low distortion to 1kHz, even on relative high volume and almost even in response on and off axis to about 15kHz. And even beyond that it's better than most tweeters i know. The Peerless tweeters mentioned above are good tweeters, but this one is a lot better for cheap.
This mid looks useful. About $80 though.
https://www.parts-express.com/pedocs/specs/298-1192-1194--wavecor-wf168wa05-06-specifications.pdf
https://www.parts-express.com/pedocs/specs/298-1192-1194--wavecor-wf168wa05-06-specifications.pdf
25.48€ if you log in at tlhp.the 5FE100 (36.87€),
And 29.22 € for the version with demodulation ring 5fe120.
Detailled test for the 120 in german, stating slightly high distortion, despite the demodulation ring.
NE149W-8 is 86dB. Might be close, but depends on which woofer is used.I am designing a slim TMWW with it (beginning in May). It's a great value, although I personally would go with the Peerless NE149W-8 for the Monkey Coffin design if it were me.
That Peerless is good in a much bigger cabinet, but as we try to keep it reasonable small, this won't work. And for sealed (what the qts suggest) the Fs is not low enough, then you're better of with more expensive drivers like the SB34NRX75-6. With dsp you could fix that also, but that is not the purpose of this build.That particular midrange model isn't available at Parts Express (not sure if anywhere else in the U.S. might carry it).
Compare the FE10FE330 to the Peerless SLS 830669 12". The Peerless is 40% cheaper than the FaitalPro here in the U.S., it looks like they are about the same price in Europe.
Yes. Dispersion stays wide to a higher freq. If that's important. But SB26ADC goes very low for its size. Smaller domes can't compete with that.SB26ADC is awesome for the price. What do you think of a smaller 21mm SBA tweeter, any advantage in terms of dispersion?
Yes, I know the smaller teeter has wider dispersion. What I meant to ask was "is this advantageous" for a 3-way classic, wide baffle, speaker? My guess is that the answer is "it depends" on each person's individual room and speaker placement, but I wanted to put the question out there for other opinions.
If it's the 10FE330, at 91-92 dB/W, looks to me like the 86 dB/W of the SBA would be fine with baffle step compensation.For my setup it's not sensitive enough to use a passive crossover. I would need something arround 90dB/2.83v to match the woofer.
Obviously a better driver, but it's >3x the $.I am designing a slim TMWW with it (beginning in May). It's a great value, although I personally would go with the Peerless NE149W-8 for the Monkey Coffin design if it were me.
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