Some People think that records, at there best technically, is the most resolving, greatest audio support. To my ear, sure its sound the most natural. But all records are not equal , far from it. Some are crappy and sound has good has 128 bits MP3. That go for modern records and also some old ones. When you buy, it hits and miss.But do you think the "media" itself deserves a P3?
Think about the Passlabs XS Phono preamp. All the effort put into that and then use it to playback non-centered /non-flat records?
It makes no sense.....
Maybe 1 out of a million records deserves it.......then I just need to get those records......
The reason people play records it that it sounds better then hires streaming?
There is absolutely no technical, objective measurement where vinyl excels over even simple digital like 16/44.
You will buy lots of warped records.
Most, if not all, are at least a little off-center.
Some pressings are just awful.
They need to be cleaned, they need to be stored properly, they wear out, they get dirty.
The act of merely playing them is slightly damaging to the record itself.
Stylus wear out.
Turntables are laborious to set up properly.
You will gently touch/use a cartridge one day and break the damn stylus off.
There is always surface noise, channel separation is laughably low compared to digital.
Maximum S/N is not mathematically possible to be better than about 70db, and in reality is much less.
The list of cons is enormous, and if you don't approach this with style, grace, humor, and a relaxed c'est la vie it will drive you nuts. Vinyl is a wickedly flawed medium.
...It also delivers more smiles-per-minute than digital ever can. When it's good, it's amazing.
You will buy lots of warped records.
Most, if not all, are at least a little off-center.
Some pressings are just awful.
They need to be cleaned, they need to be stored properly, they wear out, they get dirty.
The act of merely playing them is slightly damaging to the record itself.
Stylus wear out.
Turntables are laborious to set up properly.
You will gently touch/use a cartridge one day and break the damn stylus off.
There is always surface noise, channel separation is laughably low compared to digital.
Maximum S/N is not mathematically possible to be better than about 70db, and in reality is much less.
The list of cons is enormous, and if you don't approach this with style, grace, humor, and a relaxed c'est la vie it will drive you nuts. Vinyl is a wickedly flawed medium.
...It also delivers more smiles-per-minute than digital ever can. When it's good, it's amazing.
Yea true, and its also fun to have and handle the physical media itself, and to play it WITHOUT skipping any tunes. 😎
The vinyl back from the dead thing has also made me restart my CD-player again. Go through the old collection. And it made me realize that CD sounds extremely exellent with the right recording, just as vinyl can do.
With the right recording.
🎺🙂🎸
The vinyl back from the dead thing has also made me restart my CD-player again. Go through the old collection. And it made me realize that CD sounds extremely exellent with the right recording, just as vinyl can do.
With the right recording.
🎺🙂🎸
The best record so far (3D imaging, low noise, etc.) is this jazz record that was a project together with the Danish speaker company Dali:
https://jazznyt.blogspot.com/2020/04/ginmanblachmandahl-velvet-blues-dali.html
There is a folder inside the sleeve describing the project. It is Nordsø pressing so I got it there.
Now I also cleaned it but have not played it since the cleaning. Generally Nordsø pressings sounds good. Have only played a few so far.
I switched back to streaming for a while just to hear the difference. Comparing to the best vinyl experience so far. Maybe streaming sounds......maybe......a bit "boring" (less engaging, less "texture"). But still very good. Will see when I switch back to vinyl again.
https://jazznyt.blogspot.com/2020/04/ginmanblachmandahl-velvet-blues-dali.html
There is a folder inside the sleeve describing the project. It is Nordsø pressing so I got it there.
Now I also cleaned it but have not played it since the cleaning. Generally Nordsø pressings sounds good. Have only played a few so far.
I switched back to streaming for a while just to hear the difference. Comparing to the best vinyl experience so far. Maybe streaming sounds......maybe......a bit "boring" (less engaging, less "texture"). But still very good. Will see when I switch back to vinyl again.
If someone interested in a listening test to hear what kind of jazz. It is possible here to listen in "compressed format"......just an "appetizer".
https://www.dali-shop.com/products/ginmanblachmandahl-the-velvet-blues-lp
During the last 10 year I have gone from "main stream music" to more "jazz like music". Some live jazz recording are very good.
https://www.dali-shop.com/products/ginmanblachmandahl-the-velvet-blues-lp
During the last 10 year I have gone from "main stream music" to more "jazz like music". Some live jazz recording are very good.
With the work involved, and because of the wear on the records and stylus, I only listen to vinyl when I can devote the time to listen without interruption. And that already makes for a more relaxing listening experience.
There's no background vinyl playing for me.
Anyway, with the ease of onboard gain and loading adjustments I really look forward to the Pearl 3 becoming available.
There's no background vinyl playing for me.
Anyway, with the ease of onboard gain and loading adjustments I really look forward to the Pearl 3 becoming available.
You can tweek your setup in so many ways to adress your taste and perception : sound clinical ? try that X brand of cartridge. Sound to mellow? try that X ohms tap on your input transformer. No enough definition ? To much noise ? Try this Pearl III. So many options !
And yeah, no background vinyl spinning for me. Put the record on the table, put the needle on it, sit, rest and listen until the side ended. Read the info on the sleeve. Time stop.
Oh, I forgot to mention that a spinning record on a turntable is also a pretty thing to watch.
Cheers !
And yeah, no background vinyl spinning for me. Put the record on the table, put the needle on it, sit, rest and listen until the side ended. Read the info on the sleeve. Time stop.
Oh, I forgot to mention that a spinning record on a turntable is also a pretty thing to watch.
Cheers !
I am preparing the first flattening. First I have to be sure of the temperatur in the "pouch" <-- they call it that.
It is 110 VAC device (just received from US). I use my vario to reduce the voltage (also found some usable adapters for the funny US-connector).
I need 54C to start with which should be safe for the vinyl. The "pouch" has 3 settings. At the lowest 110V in gave 57C. The vario is good so I have finetune the temp. Then starttime will be 2 hours. If nothing happens then time must go up by 1/2 hour etc. If it has flatten a bit but not total time has to go up with 10 min. That is the described procedure (in short form).
It is 110 VAC device (just received from US). I use my vario to reduce the voltage (also found some usable adapters for the funny US-connector).
I need 54C to start with which should be safe for the vinyl. The "pouch" has 3 settings. At the lowest 110V in gave 57C. The vario is good so I have finetune the temp. Then starttime will be 2 hours. If nothing happens then time must go up by 1/2 hour etc. If it has flatten a bit but not total time has to go up with 10 min. That is the described procedure (in short form).
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Well......my first record to try to flatten (edge warp) is CASH, American III: Solitary Man ......it is called.....
First 2 hours when I have reached 54 C.
Most safe is no heat. But then I takes weeks / months to flatten. Then 49 C should be very safe but will also take very long time. 54 C seems to be the recommended temp to use. Very little chance for damage if the described steps are followed.
It is this one if someone interested:
https://www.vinylflat.com/product-page/the-vinyl-flat-record-flattener
It was watching this video that convinced me I should get one:
The price level also ok. Lot more expensive stuff exists which has integrated heating.
I like the concept and price of the "Vinyl Flat". Very fast shipping from US.
https://www.vinylflat.com/product-page/the-vinyl-flat-record-flattener
It was watching this video that convinced me I should get one:
The price level also ok. Lot more expensive stuff exists which has integrated heating.
I like the concept and price of the "Vinyl Flat". Very fast shipping from US.
Only nice to look at if record if flat and centered......if not I get irritated....
You may want to consider a different music source. Why expose yourself to grief?
Maybe I can get used to it but the CASH record was so edge warped that it affected the sound.
Why so much attention to TT wow&flutter, needle presure using very accurate weights, protractors etc......and Pearl 3 using UDP3 pre-regulator.
With all this then warped and de-centered records makes no sense. I just try to get most out of it
The record companies should be shamed making decentered and warped records <-- all about making most money.
I have my hi-res music streaming source to fall back to.
I wanted to try to understand e.g. Michal Fremer's fascination of records vs. digital source.
I may have found some of it playing back the Nordsø Jazz record so I am not regretting anything.
At Troels Gravesen the TT playback had more 3D imaging than his CD-player which was flat sounding compared to the TT-setup.
So......if vinyl has that potential......I want flat and centered records.
Why so much attention to TT wow&flutter, needle presure using very accurate weights, protractors etc......and Pearl 3 using UDP3 pre-regulator.
With all this then warped and de-centered records makes no sense. I just try to get most out of it
The record companies should be shamed making decentered and warped records <-- all about making most money.
I have my hi-res music streaming source to fall back to.
I wanted to try to understand e.g. Michal Fremer's fascination of records vs. digital source.
I may have found some of it playing back the Nordsø Jazz record so I am not regretting anything.
At Troels Gravesen the TT playback had more 3D imaging than his CD-player which was flat sounding compared to the TT-setup.
So......if vinyl has that potential......I want flat and centered records.
Which cartridge alignment is recommended for warped and decentered records?
https://www.phaedrus-audio.com/protractor.htm
Löfgren / Baerwald or Stevenson?
https://www.phaedrus-audio.com/protractor.htm
Löfgren / Baerwald or Stevenson?
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"The list of cons is enormous, and if you don't approach this with style, grace, humor, and a relaxed c'est la vie it will drive you nuts. Vinyl is a wickedly flawed medium."
I'm wicked. IMHO, the best vinvyl reproduction requires rubber belts and
Excuse if I missed reading a post.
What kind of record "flattener" did you get?
"The list of cons is enormous, and if you don't approach this with style, grace, humor, and a relaxed c'est la vie it will drive you nuts. Vinyl is a wickedly flawed medium."
I'm wicked. IMHO, the best vinvyl reproduction requires rubber belts and
Excuse if I missed reading a post.
What kind of record "flattener" did you get?