I made an F5M from the local kit. Gosh, it sounds pretty good!
But I've got some other amps, and they also sound pretty good. Hmmm, how good is good? Which one is goodest? Not to get all tangled up in hierarchy, but it seemed like some good A/B listening comparison was in order. So I've made a mess of the living room, and set it up.
First, I picked up a switching box. Getting up and fooling with plugs and switching things around every time? I wasn't into it. I want to click-click rapidly between amps. It seems like this might be a good candidate for a DIY project, but the idea didn't spark joy in my heart. I elected instead to buy this unit:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CY7T282N?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title LYNEPAUAIO 3 Input 3 Output Power Amplifier and Speaker Switcher. I looked for a while at speaker only switchers, thinking I could run it backward, but none of them seem to have exclusive switching, allowing multiple speakers to be powered by the amp at the same time. I didn't fancy cross-connecting my amps, so I got the one I got. It'll take 3 amps, and 3 pairs of speakers. Amp selection is exclusive (selecting one deselects all others), but speaker selection is not (multiple pairs of speakers may be connected). It comes with some impedance protection - 2 ohms in series with the output. First I listened with that in place, then I removed it. It also says "Signal input provides vacuum tube power amplifier signal no-load conservation function" but IDK exactly what they did and can't speak to its functionality. This is a passive device.
Ok, I can switch 3 amps! Which 3? The F5M is the guest of honor. Also appearing is inexpensive TPA3250 board (
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0B258YS3B/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1), and AudioSector LM3875 chip amp.
That's the amps, what speakers? My main getup is active, and I've got only the 2 channels of F5M to have this little soiree, so the speakers will be reserve duty units. I completed these a bit ago:
https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/trying-to-get-the-best-out-of-cheapo-piezos.409639/ Yes, the ugly truth comes out. Piezos. I had a chance to A/B these speakers (oh my, I sense a theme) with some Focal CMS65 active monitors, and I thought they were in the same ballpark. Mine have better horizontal dispersion, but worse vertical, and mine have a slightly breathier tonal balance but only by a bit. Measurements of mine in the above thread (see post #22, but details all over), but I didn't measure the Focals, they aren't mine. I've since put in a notch to address the 11 or 12 kHz peak, but haven't updated the thread yet. Anyway, I went to some effort to get good performance from the piezos and I think they do pretty well for it. Tough to believe, I know.
Alright that's sorted, piezo grublings aside. How will we drive them? What are the chances that these amps have the same gain? Having already investigated, I'll tell you the chances are nil. To deal with this, I drove the amplifiers from a computer with an 8 channel sound interface. I can set separate gains on each output, and used a DVM and 1kHz tone to equalize output. After that output levels to my ear seemed identical.
So many words already, how did it sound!? Hush, if it were simple it wouldn't be interesting, now would it?
Listening session #1 - output impedance protection (2 ohm) in place
This is quite close. Bass and dynamics were a match between all 3 amps. Tonality seemed very similar also, but after spending some time listening the F5M seemed a bit brighter. But the image is where these amps started to differentiate. The F5M seemed to have a bit more HF, but the image was spread back from the amp in space. This seemed like an odd pair of charecteristics to me. Also there seemed to be more space around musical elements. The TPA3250 brought the music up to the plane of the speakers and flattened out the image. The LM3875 was like the TPA3250, but more flattened and presented as located at the speakers. My wife and I both liked them in that order, 1st place: 5FM, 2nd TPA3250, 3rd LM3875. My wife said she sometimes thought the 5FM didn't do as well presenting big-sound, noise-type moments in music, but in the end still it was her favorite. That being said, they were more similar than different, and all generally competent.
Listening session #2 - removed switchers 2 ohm protection
I'm only using this one set of speakers, and maybe that extra resistance has some effect. Let's pull it and have another listen! This time - dang! They all sound very similar! I couldn't detect the same preferences I had earlier. The primary difference I was able to notice was that the F5M sounded a bit wider. What's going on? I did up the bias on the F5M in my hot garage, and on a hot day. Perhaps it is appropriate to re-evaluate the bias? The F5M info I have says "Voltage / 0.47 = bias amps For 1.1 amps the voltage is 0.52V and for 1.4 amps it is .80V". I had gone for ~0.55V initially, but now I was measuring 0.4something. Maybe that's my issue. I had noticed that it wasn't feeling as hot to the touch as when I first did it up, maybe some value had shifted? Let's heat this thing up. I re-biased to V across R6 ~= 0.75 v.
Listening session #3 - re-biased the F5M
Hey, that's pretty hot. Also, it smells like hot electronics. I feel like I read some comment that someone had up-specc'd R6 / R7 from 2W to 5W due to hot-resistor smell. But hey, the F5M is back in first place again. The spacious sound has returned. At this point the TMA3250 and the LM3875 were pretty similar. The differences all-around are not as large as they were in the first session. The F5M heat sinks get to 125 F in spots as measured by an infrared thermometer. I may get the 5W resistors, and / or reduce bias some. I do wanna keep that sound. I have a speaker project in mind more tailored to the F5M, passive XO, higher efficiency, higher impedance.
Goofball ideas
- So, maybe that 2R series resistance was having an effect, huh? Speaker resistance is 4R for the woofer and big/capacitor for the piezo. I don't really know exactly how the speaker load will impact each of these amplifiers.
- I wonder if the F5M is getting a little stereo widening across the power supply, based on sesh2 impression and sesh1 "sense of space"? I wonder what F5M monoblocks sound like compared to single PS versions.
- The sense of depth from the F5M - this rather matches with what Mr Pass has said about his preferred neg phase 2nd harmonic. Maybe further research along the lines of H2 generator + TPA3250 is in order. Or, there's a TPA3255 board on Amazon for not much $$$...
So Burning Amp 2024 is coming up in a few weeks here. I'm thinking I will bring this setup along and those in attendance can have a listen.
Whadya think?