transistor amp not working after shorting output

If you are playing without output transistors - which is actually a VERY good initial check out step - it can’t properly drive an 8 ohm speaker. It CAN and should be able to drive a higher impedance load - say, 100-200 ohms. Put a 100 to 200 ohm resistor in series with a speaker and play it. It should sound clean, just low in volume. You can measure the true AC voltage at the output with a meter or scope. If you can get it up and running PROPERLY in this mode then it will almost always be safe with the outputs installed.
 
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If you are playing without output transistors - which is actually a VERY good initial check out step - it can’t properly drive an 8 ohm speaker. It CAN and should be able to drive a higher impedance load - say, 100-200 ohms. Put a 100 to 200 ohm resistor in series with a speaker and play it. It should sound clean, just low in volume. You can measure the true AC voltage at the output with a meter or scope. If you can get it up and running PROPERLY in this mode then it will almost always be safe with the outputs installed.
so you suggest that i measure voltage on output for transistors or ? i dont understand
 
You measure (or look at on a scope) the output voltage at the normal place. You should still be able to develop a couple volts RMS of clean signal driving a high z load. The tiny voltage across the speaker in series with it doesn’t matter much, but you should be able to hear clear vs. distorted.
 
The iffy meter can still show a couple of volts RMS, as in the presence of a “large” signal. Monitoring through a speaker (attenuated by the 100-1k ohm “load”) can tell you what it sounds like. BTDT. Got a little better when I managed to score an old green screen uncalibrated scope for $30 at a hamfest.