Low-distortion Audio-range Oscillator

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Viktor, I also had some cable issues that I solved and now I am at the measurement limit of my AP SYS2722 which is about -120dB.

I have designed a tracking 40dB notch for use with the autoranger MK II and the next step is to run your oscillator through the notch and see what comes out.
There is indeed some mains poles so another improvement will be to install a SilentSwitcher. No mains and low noise, that should also help.

So, the ball is in my court firmly ;-). Will report here of my findings.

Jan
 
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Jan; What is the capacitance between the input supply and the output? When you are working at -120 dB+ it takes very little leakage to show up.

Yes, redressing cabling helped; it is less now but will go away completely once I install the SilentSwitcher.
In the mean time I am reaching the basic performance of the SYS2722.

Can you and anyone reading this please comment on the following reasoning:

Assume I have an oscillator with -130dB distortion. I have an analyzer with -110dB performance.
I also have a 40dB notch at the test frequency; assume the notch is distortion free.

So I send a nominal 0dBV oscillator signal with -130dBV distortion through the 40dB notch. What comes out is a signal at -40dBV level and -130dBV distortion.

The analyzer ranges up 40dB and then has a signal at 0dBV with -90dBV distortion.

This -90dBV distortion is clearly shown in the analyzer as it is above its base level. So I read off -90dBV and add 40dB and conclude the original signal had -130dBV distortion.

With the distortionless 40dB notch I can now measure -110dB - 40dB = -150dBV distortion.

Correct?

Jan
 
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The 35V supply feeds the requirements.
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If you wish, I can offer to send me the boards for testing and repairing. Also if your boards are very old, I can make the possible improvements for them. Otherwise any questions please.

Victor

Victor, my SilentSwitcher provides +/-15V, extremely low noise, I assume I could connect that directly to the board?

I noticed also that the output voltage of the 1kHz generator 'breathes', slowly growing and going down again. Not sure what's going on.

I will first update the supply, when that doesn't fix it I may take you up on the offer to check it out.

Jan
 
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With the distortionless 40dB notch I can now measure -110dB - 40dB = -150dBV distortion.

Correct?
You will get som inaccuracy when you approach the -150dB. When the distortion from the oscillator + notch filter is around the same level as the distortion from your analyzer, you may have constructive or destructive addition of the signal, depending on the phase of the distortion signals.
 
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You will get some inaccuracy when you approach the -150dB. When the distortion from the oscillator + notch filter is around the same level as the distortion from your analyzer, you may have constructive or destructive addition of the signal, depending on the phase of the distortion signals.

Jens, OK, yes, understood.

Jan
 
Yes, redressing cabling helped; it is less now but will go away completely once I install the SilentSwitcher.
In the mean time I am reaching the basic performance of the SYS2722.

Can you and anyone reading this please comment on the following reasoning:

Assume I have an oscillator with -130dB distortion. I have an analyzer with -110dB performance.
I also have a 40dB notch at the test frequency; assume the notch is distortion free.

So I send a nominal 0dBV oscillator signal with -130dBV distortion through the 40dB notch. What comes out is a signal at -40dBV level and -130dBV distortion.

The analyzer ranges up 40dB and then has a signal at 0dBV with -90dBV distortion.

This -90dBV distortion is clearly shown in the analyzer as it is above its base level. So I read off -90dBV and add 40dB and conclude the original signal had -130dBV distortion.

With the distortionless 40dB notch I can now measure -110dB - 40dB = -150dBV distortion.

Correct?

Jan


In theory yes. But the ranging up of the distortion analyzer can add distortion. Albeit small.
 
Victor, my SilentSwitcher provides +/-15V, extremely low noise, I assume I could connect that directly to the board?

I noticed also that the output voltage of the 1kHz generator 'breathes', slowly growing and going down again. Not sure what's going on.

I will first update the supply, when that doesn't fix it I may take you up on the offer to check it out.

Jan


Doesn't sound like the oscillator. If you have Victor's first generation. It is PS or grounding issues. Took me forever to solve this.


Try running the supply level a few volts above spec. If your not using a current source.


Also it might be damage to the input stage of the analyzer.



See RM.
 
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Victor, can I just connect the new +/-15 to appropriate points for the opamps, and leave the TL431 stuff as it is, or will that cause problems?

Have you published a schematic and board layout, I can't find it online.

Jan


If you use the SSW leave the 100 ohm resistor in since the switcher is a voltage source. Any difference above needs to be dissipated.


Caution with the TL431, they can oscillate on the reference pin at about 10kHZ if they are not happy.
 
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Here is the old 1kHz schematic.
If you wish to connect the external +/-15V supply, then you need to short resistors R23 and R25, otherwise the TL431 can be damaged.

Victor, can I just connect the new +/-15 to appropriate points for the opamps, and leave the TL431 stuff as it is, or will that cause problems?

Have you published a schematic and board layout, I can't find it online.

Jan
 

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