Review Hi-Fi News & Record Review, Nov 1985
Here a nice review!
Unfortunately there are no measurements in this review...
Here a nice review!
Unfortunately there are no measurements in this review...
measurements on Palette Preamplifier - the opamp version.
The frequency manipulation is what I used for calculating the filters.
The frequency manipulation is what I used for calculating the filters.
More reading. (991KB PDF download)
From page 8 and on some sound engineers express their joy with among other cello equipment also the Audio Palette.
From page 8 and on some sound engineers express their joy with among other cello equipment also the Audio Palette.
That's one of the reasons the original AP was so expensive. Levinson used real engravings and paid incredible attention to details...
Nrik,
I tried using both Rod Elliott's MFB-filter program and the spreadsheet from Project 136 to calculate the filters. Both of these tools give negative resistor values for R2 when Q=.7 and the gains & center frequencies needed for the Palette controls are input. Did you end up using non-equal C MFB filters instead? There are solutions with non-equal C filters.
- Eric
I tried using both Rod Elliott's MFB-filter program and the spreadsheet from Project 136 to calculate the filters. Both of these tools give negative resistor values for R2 when Q=.7 and the gains & center frequencies needed for the Palette controls are input. Did you end up using non-equal C MFB filters instead? There are solutions with non-equal C filters.
- Eric
...hey guys, sorry for not replying in my own thread for 1½ month.
Thankyou Ticktock
Eric Weitzman: You should read Rod Elliots Expandable Graphic Equaliser instead.
I will check up what values I used exactly at some point, but what you also should know, is that I put the gain in some separate opamps, and let the filters be filters.
Thinking back I even think I calculated each filter to be -6dB down and added that to the gain, because the filters had both high-pass and low-pass attacking the same frequency ( -3 +-3dB = -6dB)
Thankyou Ticktock
Eric Weitzman: You should read Rod Elliots Expandable Graphic Equaliser instead.
I will check up what values I used exactly at some point, but what you also should know, is that I put the gain in some separate opamps, and let the filters be filters.
Thinking back I even think I calculated each filter to be -6dB down and added that to the gain, because the filters had both high-pass and low-pass attacking the same frequency ( -3 +-3dB = -6dB)
Eric Weitzman:
Here are my filter values attached.
Notice the Q of 0.707 of all the filters, which gives a gain of 0.5 in the filter stage. This must be made up for in the "input/output stage" circuitry of Rod Elliots project 75.
cheers
Here are my filter values attached.
Notice the Q of 0.707 of all the filters, which gives a gain of 0.5 in the filter stage. This must be made up for in the "input/output stage" circuitry of Rod Elliots project 75.
cheers
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Hi Nrik,
Is your version of the Palette still singing well? Do you suppose we could revive this project as a PCB for opamps?
Is your version of the Palette still singing well? Do you suppose we could revive this project as a PCB for opamps?
Well...it is on the shelf.
It was working fine but I build another preamp (...can't stop building new projects 🙂 )
My hope was to remake it with discrete jfet circuits (no opamps) as the sound is not the best I have ever heard if used without setting the EQ pots.
But I guess upgrading the opamps could also make it happen as well, so if you want to make PCB for the opamp version and share with the group, then please go ahead.
If you make it for 8 pin dual opamps it would be very practical, because then people can use their favorite opamp.
Cello Palette preamp
Here is a version done with state variable filters. The problem with other designs presented is that the 'Q' did not match that of the Cello. This one is a subtle variation on the Barry Porter studio parametric EQ, a well known classic circuit. I have built this circuit before and was really happy with the results. Unfortunately a stereo version contains lots of opamps. You would want to use quiet ones such as the LM4562. I have a stereo version using all thru hole parts in the works. The PCB is out for fab now. The PCB for both channels fits into a 1U chassis.
The schematic for one channel is here: Dropbox - Barry Cello Parametric EQ_00.jpg - Simplify your life
It is a huge jpeg.
Here is a version done with state variable filters. The problem with other designs presented is that the 'Q' did not match that of the Cello. This one is a subtle variation on the Barry Porter studio parametric EQ, a well known classic circuit. I have built this circuit before and was really happy with the results. Unfortunately a stereo version contains lots of opamps. You would want to use quiet ones such as the LM4562. I have a stereo version using all thru hole parts in the works. The PCB is out for fab now. The PCB for both channels fits into a 1U chassis.
The schematic for one channel is here: Dropbox - Barry Cello Parametric EQ_00.jpg - Simplify your life
It is a huge jpeg.
I don't think anyone have heard NETEQ here in this forum. It should be a fantastic EQ. Are you going to share the PCB with members? I'm interested.
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If you post the schematic directly on the forum you might possibly get more response - not sure. Many of my threads are limited to 2 or 3 participants. 🙂
Wellp, after perusin' it for half an hour, it sure looks like ol' Barry liked goin' the long way round the barn.