So like I came across a note on the worst Fostex ever made the 207E, the most shouty FR ever invented,,,anyway,
So I figured lets google **Fostex speakers shouty,,and 2 tries I hit ona string of interesting comments on FR in general, and Fostex was mentioned.
Some posts are older, others 2019,2020.
Seems at least, some Fostex models have **issues**
Won't say much more, but its good we have google.
Just saying.
No wonder Fostex keeps developing new/better models.
They are struggling to completely eliminate the house sound shoutiness.
I hope one day they find that magical speaker.
til then..............
So I figured lets google **Fostex speakers shouty,,and 2 tries I hit ona string of interesting comments on FR in general, and Fostex was mentioned.
Some posts are older, others 2019,2020.
Seems at least, some Fostex models have **issues**
Won't say much more, but its good we have google.
Just saying.
No wonder Fostex keeps developing new/better models.
They are struggling to completely eliminate the house sound shoutiness.
I hope one day they find that magical speaker.
til then..............
what Fostex needs to do, is eliminate all its drivers that have any shouty-iness
If that means the entire catalogue, then so be it.
Then take all its best engineers and work as a team to invent 3 drivers ONLY.
no, make it a W6 and W8,.
Thats it.
A W4? For what?
Just stick with the most usable, most practical size cones, W6, W8
AS we all know the FR Experience is The Speaker for the 21st C discerning audiophile.
So if Fostex wants to be ahead of the game, they will need to make a driver that has near perfect pitch, tonal balance in the entire midrgane fq field.
Forget going to 20khz.
I'll hold on Fostex til their next line comes out.
I'm in no rush to buy.
Are you listening Mr Fostex?
If that means the entire catalogue, then so be it.
Then take all its best engineers and work as a team to invent 3 drivers ONLY.
no, make it a W6 and W8,.
Thats it.
A W4? For what?
Just stick with the most usable, most practical size cones, W6, W8
AS we all know the FR Experience is The Speaker for the 21st C discerning audiophile.
So if Fostex wants to be ahead of the game, they will need to make a driver that has near perfect pitch, tonal balance in the entire midrgane fq field.
Forget going to 20khz.
I'll hold on Fostex til their next line comes out.
I'm in no rush to buy.
Are you listening Mr Fostex?
I'm sure they aren't, and wouldn't give two hoots about your opinion anyway. Or that of anyone here. On the other hand, you've very successfully derailed this already dodgy thread with this lengthy battering of random twaddle.
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What that Fostex has no issues with their speakers?
I've just read numerous comments on some discussion boards.
Besides IF Fos is so wonderful, where are all the high flown praises and yeppieees over owninga pair??
Red Flags all over that brand.
No thanks
Good i'm sure, but I am only interested in the best
Which is the topic of the OP
**Tell us about the very finest FR you've heard?**
I'd say all my comments have remained focused on making discoveries in these little known FR speakers.
Better say neglected speaker design.
I've just read numerous comments on some discussion boards.
Besides IF Fos is so wonderful, where are all the high flown praises and yeppieees over owninga pair??
Red Flags all over that brand.
No thanks
Good i'm sure, but I am only interested in the best
Which is the topic of the OP
**Tell us about the very finest FR you've heard?**
I'd say all my comments have remained focused on making discoveries in these little known FR speakers.
Better say neglected speaker design.
What are the best full driver?
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This is the Q,
Are Fostex among the very best?
Yes?
ok which one?
Fostex has many models.
Why?
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This is the Q,
Are Fostex among the very best?
Yes?
ok which one?
Fostex has many models.
Why?
No, they just couldn't give a monkeys what you are gibbering about. Even if they were aware of it, which it's fairly safe to say they aren't.
I think the last few posts make it very safe to say now (as if much confirmation was needed) that you are wasting everybody's precious time.
I think the last few posts make it very safe to say now (as if much confirmation was needed) that you are wasting everybody's precious time.
well if you think I'm a troll,
You can ignore my post I just now made over on Audiogon
There I finsih what I have to say about Fostex.
You and others are not going to like what i have to say.
Neither are anyone over at Agon.
Some there just despise and ridicule my every post.
The P is from 2011
I thought I'd update things abit
Opinions on Full-Range/single driver speakers | Audiogon Discussion Forum
You can ignore my post I just now made over on Audiogon
There I finsih what I have to say about Fostex.
You and others are not going to like what i have to say.
Neither are anyone over at Agon.
Some there just despise and ridicule my every post.
The P is from 2011
I thought I'd update things abit
Opinions on Full-Range/single driver speakers | Audiogon Discussion Forum
I never look at Audiogon at all. It's not a forum, it's a predominantly US sales site for new & 2nd hand audio gear with some rather limited posting capacity bolted to it.
In point of fact I neither like nor dislike anything you say about driver design, engineering and characteristics because almost every post you make demonstrates your total ignorance of the subject. Therefore, whatever you state in that regard is worthless. Likewise today's nonsense about Fostex drive units, since you have already noted that you have never owned, heard or even seen one, nor apparently do you make a practice of even looking at a frequency response graph until prompted. This coming only a couple of days after you were making multiple posts claiming that they were the best thing since the pre-sliced bread days. Which says all anybody needs to know about the value of your opinion on this matter too.
Assuming you are not a troll (since I prefer to take a charitable outlook), your stated preferences and opinions for what you would like from your system are perfectly valid. However, extending that to anything related to design is not, since you haven't the faintest idea what you are talking about. What is concerning is that a number of extremely knowledgeable and experienced people here have tried to provide you with a large amount of factual information, guidance and explanations but you appear to make absolutely no effort whatsoever to read it, let alone understand it. Ergo, until you do, you are wasting your, and everybody else's valuable time.
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Fostex doesn't make bad drivers. Lowther doesn't make bad drivers. People make bad decisions taking drivers that are designed to be used in horns and put them closed or reflex cabinets.
Taking a random hodgepodge of drivers and comparing them in the same random cabinet and without any break in time is a waste of time and money.
Taking a random hodgepodge of drivers and comparing them in the same random cabinet and without any break in time is a waste of time and money.
Lowther PM4A. In a Voigt corner horn. We tried them in an open baffle and they were horrible.
Qts is very low. Only 0.16.
Good for horn.
Qts value Description Suitable for
0.2-0.4 very strong drive horn speakers
0.3-0.5 strong drive bass reflex speakers, horns
0.4-0.6 medium drive closed cabinet speakers
0.5-0.7 weak drive transmission line speakers, dipoles
> 0.7 very weak drive dipoles, automotive: rear parcel-shelf
Good for horn.
Qts value Description Suitable for
0.2-0.4 very strong drive horn speakers
0.3-0.5 strong drive bass reflex speakers, horns
0.4-0.6 medium drive closed cabinet speakers
0.5-0.7 weak drive transmission line speakers, dipoles
> 0.7 very weak drive dipoles, automotive: rear parcel-shelf
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Not that they don’t pay attention. Some of the model numbers have pinched names first seen on this forum.
Dave
Not even close. I did up a lot of FE207e. Less shouty, less issues than FE206e and did not need a horn.
The shoutiest Fostex i have ever hear is the FE138… rasies the scream to a shout. Superb bass in FH3. Used as bass support for µFonkens the combo sounded really good..
dave
A generalization that has lots of counter examples (as to the boxes they can be fir into).
dave
Indeed, just for knowledge sake, I've successfully used or HR simmed up to a 2.85 Qts driver in a reactance annulled compression [back loaded] horn, though would of course have a VERY limited usefulness since only its horn output was usable, but the takeaway is that any driver can be used in any type of box loading, it just depends on whether or not it meets the needs of the intended application [app].
You're welcome!
Simple enough, if 'super accurate' female voice is the primary goal, then a 2.5-3" frame driver with a ~3/4"[0.75"]/1.9 cm dia. voice coil [normally listed in the driver specs] with a ~170 Hz or less [Fs] in either a max flat [0.707 Qtc] sealed cab or for open/infinite baffle [OB/IB], a ~0.5-0.71 Qts and use a good quality potentiometer [pot] to dial in ['voice'] its most pleasing in room response.
Only looked at PE and while I prefer to go bigger, their 3" has a ~7/8"[0.875"]/2.22 cm dia. voice coil, but this 2.5" is [surprising] close enough spec wise and plenty cheap enough to recommend trying it on OB with maybe a bit of EQ at each end to flatten it overall, so using an inexpensive 25 ohm pot will suffice since ideally need to audition at < ~2m/6.5 ft.
Dayton Audio PC68-8 2-1/2" Full-Range Poly Cone Driver
https://www.parts-express.com/pedocs/specs/295-152--dayton-audio-pc68-8-specifications.pdf