Hi Jan
My APIB USB ADAPTER won't run on ATS2 Ver 1.6x. 1.6x software has the USB driver installed, it needs AP's USB BOX. AP's USB BOX won't run ATS2 1.5 or earler software.
My APIB USB ADAPTER runs ATS2 with Ver 1.5, and ApWin 2.14 / 2.24 for S1, S2 & S2c
My APIB USB ADAPTER works with OS XP, VISTA, Win7,8,10 & 11
Duke
My APIB USB ADAPTER won't run on ATS2 Ver 1.6x. 1.6x software has the USB driver installed, it needs AP's USB BOX. AP's USB BOX won't run ATS2 1.5 or earler software.
My APIB USB ADAPTER runs ATS2 with Ver 1.5, and ApWin 2.14 / 2.24 for S1, S2 & S2c
My APIB USB ADAPTER works with OS XP, VISTA, Win7,8,10 & 11
Duke
Thanks Duke, I guess I will have to pay the premium.
Last price for the AP box is € 500. Rip off.
In contrast, I just bought an almost-new ATS-2 for € 1500.
Jan
Last price for the AP box is € 500. Rip off.
In contrast, I just bought an almost-new ATS-2 for € 1500.
Jan
Hi,
rough reply vs the many threads related to the thsi subject :
AudioPrecision devices are for the guys like Amir from ASR that are lazy and want "result", without thinking about "what's below?"
The kind of of guy that does't want to have his brain "pushed too far", or even nicer pushed to "non-sense" vs physics... blabla bla...
The best answer to this kind of threads => go deeper !
buy the awesome LiteVNA and TinySA for 1/100 price of any AudioPrecision stuff
then, thru measurements using LiteVNA & TinySA => you end to some info & conclusions.
If this infos from TinySA & LiteVNA don't rig a bell to you =>
1. you realize this game is to big for you, no brainer => you'll learn very nice stuff ahaed, and gonna be ccol
2. you're stuck to AudioP devices => you're ****** / fooled
why this ? => AudioP devices/ measurements, are like sniffing the exhauts pipe of a jet or piston engine and "guess" what right/wrong INSIDE the engine without knowing anything about this inside of the engine. Weird isn't it ? 🙂
all the best for the ones that looks deeper
and good luck for the another ones 🙂
rough reply vs the many threads related to the thsi subject :
AudioPrecision devices are for the guys like Amir from ASR that are lazy and want "result", without thinking about "what's below?"
The kind of of guy that does't want to have his brain "pushed too far", or even nicer pushed to "non-sense" vs physics... blabla bla...
The best answer to this kind of threads => go deeper !
buy the awesome LiteVNA and TinySA for 1/100 price of any AudioPrecision stuff
then, thru measurements using LiteVNA & TinySA => you end to some info & conclusions.
If this infos from TinySA & LiteVNA don't rig a bell to you =>
1. you realize this game is to big for you, no brainer => you'll learn very nice stuff ahaed, and gonna be ccol
2. you're stuck to AudioP devices => you're ****** / fooled
why this ? => AudioP devices/ measurements, are like sniffing the exhauts pipe of a jet or piston engine and "guess" what right/wrong INSIDE the engine without knowing anything about this inside of the engine. Weird isn't it ? 🙂
all the best for the ones that looks deeper
and good luck for the another ones 🙂
I have both a TinySA and a NanoVNA. They are nice but they have limitations, especially for audio.
I think the important part is not the instrument, but the training of the operator. If you get an Xray you probably won't know what to make of the image. A Radiologist with years of training and experience can see things you won't. Its the same for these instruments. An AP, or a R&S or Shibasoku or a QuantAsylum are tools, not ends unto themselves. They can show you a lot if you know what to look for. Good numbers tell you the device is working. Bad numbers can show what needs to be addressed if anything if you know how to interpret them. Your audio playback system is the same. its your use of it that matters.
I think the important part is not the instrument, but the training of the operator. If you get an Xray you probably won't know what to make of the image. A Radiologist with years of training and experience can see things you won't. Its the same for these instruments. An AP, or a R&S or Shibasoku or a QuantAsylum are tools, not ends unto themselves. They can show you a lot if you know what to look for. Good numbers tell you the device is working. Bad numbers can show what needs to be addressed if anything if you know how to interpret them. Your audio playback system is the same. its your use of it that matters.
After years of messing around with most every audio measurement device imaginable, I purchased the apx555 as a retirement gift and haven't looked back!
Did keep a loaded System 1, HP8903A, aa501A, and a couple of SG505s. Playing audio for 55+ years gives some perspective.
Did keep a loaded System 1, HP8903A, aa501A, and a couple of SG505s. Playing audio for 55+ years gives some perspective.
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A more efficient way to get the job done... evaluating speaker cable!
Here're my summaries after trying ATS-2 and some versions of S2, with different APIB adapters:
1. AP PCI/PCMCIA adapters work with all S1/S2/2700/ATS2 but is limited to Windows 7.
2. AP authentic USB adapter runs with new Windows, but does not support S1 and 2222/2322. It will work with S2C, S2C+ and 2700.
3. S1USB adapter likely works with all S1, S2, ATS and run on new Windows, but is limited with control softwares (dont support newer versions).
Hence:
1. The S1USB is best suited to SYS-1 and SYS-2322/2222 as those don't accept the authentic AP USB adapter (hence at best can only run with PCI/PCMCIA adapters on W7 as per official info from AP).
2. ATS-2, S2C, S2C+ and 2700 can run with all adapters, but are best suited with authentic AP (support new Windows and latest AP ATS2/APWIN/AP2700 softwares).
You should also mention that the ATS-2 1.5 software runs with APIB cards and PCMCIA cards, but the 1.6 software requires the USB adapter.
Or so says AP.
Jan
Or so says AP.
Jan
Jan,
I can't seem to recall having any problem running ATS 1.6 with PCMCIA card. It was actually my first set of AP equipments until I parted with the ATS2 two years ago.
Running the ATS2 & AP USB adapter on Win10/11 is a bit trickier but can do by installing the USB driver separately.
I still keep the PCMCIA card, it works fine in a Win7 PC with latest software to control my 2722.
Duong.
I can't seem to recall having any problem running ATS 1.6 with PCMCIA card. It was actually my first set of AP equipments until I parted with the ATS2 two years ago.
Running the ATS2 & AP USB adapter on Win10/11 is a bit trickier but can do by installing the USB driver separately.
I still keep the PCMCIA card, it works fine in a Win7 PC with latest software to control my 2722.
Duong.
You may be right, I'm only quoting AP. I'm still waiting to take delivery of the used ATS-2 I bought.
Jan
Jan
A few more details on the PCMCIA interface- The first gen- PCMCIA is essentially and ISA buss extension. Cardbuss is a PCI extension. (Expresscard is PCIe but physically incompatible and a dead end for our purposes). One deal killer is that in some hardware the ISA addresses are not available on the Cardbuss interface preventing communications to the card. The interrupts also don't communicate the same but APIB doesn't use interrupts it seems. In others they are. Specifically in my experience for example Dell E5400 uses the older version PCMCIA and the E5610 uses the newer version and the APIB card does not work. They are visually identical. However a Dell Optiplex with a TI or Ricoh Cardbuss adapter works even in win 10 (32bit). However same drive and card in an Asus simply will not work Win 10 or XP. Clearly the USB solutions have their benefits. I'm not sure how important running the software in a 32 bit system is. The drivers require 32 bits. Its all quite a challenge. I understand why AP moved on. This stuff is quite old but it does still work.
Yeah, $ 500 gets me an AP USB adapter, but I am uncomfortable with throwing away a couple of perfectly good adapter cards.
But that's probably my upbringing ;-)
Jan
But that's probably my upbringing ;-)
Jan
Me too. I must have spent 12 hours and installed windows and APWin on 5 drives and 4 PC's so far. At some point its getting silly. But I'm almost there. I have another candidate laptop due in this week. Hopefully it will all work.
This is exactly what I have, a Dell Optiplex (now still Win7) and a Ricoh PCMCIA/PCI adapter.
Will try Win10 soon, thanks a lot for the tips.
Duong
Just for my education, is this the type of thing I'd need:
https://www.dennisdeal.com/products...4kOKH_gQr4C2Nr1UoD8fLqn4uY5ooBgBoCBx4QAvD_BwE
Jan
https://www.dennisdeal.com/products...4kOKH_gQr4C2Nr1UoD8fLqn4uY5ooBgBoCBx4QAvD_BwE
Jan
There is a remote chance it would work. I would not commit if not returnable. This is what I used: https://www.ebay.com/itm/2759791091...8x9PEV0QjD6MIuDMdkjVaJXQ==|tkp:Bk9SR9bam43DYg They range in price from $10 to $100. They used to come free with wireless cards.
Win 10 64 will run 32 and 64 bit apps. However the drivers for I/O interface need to match the system and there are no 64 bit drivers for the APIB cards.