quite good.
I simply put it in a sealed box with my XO, and let the subs do their work under. I did come up with a TL sim that I haven't had time to make, at post 7.
https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/tb-new-line-of-coax-fr-drivers.324159/
Some people tried only a cap on the tweet. I tried that, it was bad. It needs a real XO
I simply put it in a sealed box with my XO, and let the subs do their work under. I did come up with a TL sim that I haven't had time to make, at post 7.
https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/tb-new-line-of-coax-fr-drivers.324159/
Some people tried only a cap on the tweet. I tried that, it was bad. It needs a real XO
So, FAST WAW folks, my son has been very happy with the "quickie build" TC9/RS225-8 sealed-box versions that I showed in post #3435 on December 16 2021.
And now, despite xrk971 putting up for sale a lovely pair of TL floor-standers "for a friend" 😉, what do you think I have finally got round to building .... ?
more to come, later
Simon
And now, despite xrk971 putting up for sale a lovely pair of TL floor-standers "for a friend" 😉, what do you think I have finally got round to building .... ?
more to come, later
Simon
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Just a confirmed observation that the Tang Band W8-2314 coaxial is a drop in fit for the TL cabinet here (same cutout, same bezel, same screw holes) and the TS parameters are also a match. I have heard that it makes superb bass in this cabinet. I have developed a crossover for it in case anyone is lucky enough to have this driver and wants a point source multi-way TL speaker.
Schematic for XO (developed with a sealed box):
Predicted (blue)and measured (yellow) response:
Predicted impedance:
Predicted step response (inverted microphone):
Listen to it here (sealed box):
Schematic for XO (developed with a sealed box):
Predicted (blue)and measured (yellow) response:
Predicted impedance:
Predicted step response (inverted microphone):
Listen to it here (sealed box):
Balanced sound.
When you drive fast passages, you hear if it is a good driver.
You don't want one with high distortion.
Do you need an extra base when running this closed?
Read that it gave good bass in a BR box.
€300 each.
I like the sound from this driver. Qts 0.31.
Interesting.
I will check up in hornresp.
Do you use Tangband crossover?
When you drive fast passages, you hear if it is a good driver.
You don't want one with high distortion.
Do you need an extra base when running this closed?
Read that it gave good bass in a BR box.
€300 each.
I like the sound from this driver. Qts 0.31.
Interesting.
I will check up in hornresp.
Do you use Tangband crossover?
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It worked quite well in sealed but I would recommend the TL vs a BR if you want bass. The TL will give -6dB of 30Hz or so. I used my own crossover as shown above - simple 6 components. Advantage being time aligned and quasi transient perfect so the percussion is really snappy. Great drums, guitar, piano, rimshots, stand up bass etc. the point source coaxial configuration gives nice image that is consistent when moving around.
The measured Qts is higher - typically 0.36 or 0.38 which is fine for the TL I designed for RS225.
Biggest thing is the drop in fit into the TL cabinet with the RS225-8:
The measured Qts is higher - typically 0.36 or 0.38 which is fine for the TL I designed for RS225.
Biggest thing is the drop in fit into the TL cabinet with the RS225-8:
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The Pink Panthers have been playing music for about 20hrs since the XO's were connected and these speakers Rock! Super impressed with the sound, X worked his magic mic and designed a well balanced XO for the W8-2314. I had these drivers sitting on my shelf for quite some time and was starting to think I made a mistake taking a chance on them. Not many builds on the web use them and the ones I did find would not satisfy me having to use a subwoofer for bass assistance. Almost by accident, I mentioned to X that I had these drivers and what should I do with them. That started the ball rolling and here we are, a surprise project that sounds awesome. Thanks for taking on this project X, I appreciate it 
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My FAST TL's were one of my favorite speakers, but if I had one wish for them it would be a little more energy on the top end. So far, the new TB TL's have all the positives of the FAST TL's but have the "Sparkle" I was looking for.
XO Parts:
Jantzen, 4.7uF Z-Superior Capacitor
CDE 940c, 2.2uF PP Film Capacitor
Jantzen, 0.68mH 16awg Cross Coil Foil Inductor
Dayton Audio, 0.10mH 20awg Air Core Inductor
Dayton Audio, DPR10, 20R 10W Resistors (2 in series for 40R)
Mundorf, 4R7 10W resistor
.My FAST TL's were one of my favorite speakers, but if I had one wish for them it would be a little more energy on the top end. So far, the new TB TL's have all the positives of the FAST TL's but have the "Sparkle" I was looking for.
XO Parts:
Jantzen, 4.7uF Z-Superior Capacitor
CDE 940c, 2.2uF PP Film Capacitor
Jantzen, 0.68mH 16awg Cross Coil Foil Inductor
Dayton Audio, 0.10mH 20awg Air Core Inductor
Dayton Audio, DPR10, 20R 10W Resistors (2 in series for 40R)
Mundorf, 4R7 10W resistor
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Have you tried the Kingspan GreenGuard stuff from Lowe's? The last 1" Owens Corning Foamular I got at Home Depot had really deep scores (much more than what appears to be in the photo above) and I noticed that the green stuff in Lowe's didn't have any scores in the 1" panel. Seemed to be the same stuff.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/11581828...aV1Cg3-Rh-&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
Not affiliated just saw this for sale... UK kit with enclosures with the B80
Not affiliated just saw this for sale... UK kit with enclosures with the B80
So, he didn't want to compare this B80/RS225 to his every day seller MarkAudio bread and butter, eh?
Scared of liking something else? 😉 Joking.
Too bad, though.
I have no idea what the flat pack sells for. Is that a good price?
Scared of liking something else? 😉 Joking.
Too bad, though.
I have no idea what the flat pack sells for. Is that a good price?
I had an offer of £399 so that's pretty good value. RS225 and B80s here will cost about £320 alone so with the professionally built (KJF) enclosure and some the XO components.....decent deal! Not sure why the 2nd L in there though!
The 2nd inductor indicates this is probably not a transient perfect 1st order XO. Good deal on drivers and cabinet though.
I think he made a mistake in getting that L of whatever value. It should have been a capacitor of same numerical value. 9 components on the schematic and he has 9 components.
The values on that crossover don’t look like the ones I have. I don’t think they are the same and there is no schematic posted anyway so we are guessing.
I think I might as well give an update since it's been almost a year.
I've been using these crossovers for a while now. I am still extremely impressed by how balanced and life-like they sound. When I show them off, people are surprised when it sounds like someone started talking or whistling in the room, but it is just the music. They are much better than the first crossover I used, with a wider sweet spot and sound good at any angle. I think those with RS225/TC9FD with the tweeter centered should strongly consider this crossover.
I've been using these crossovers for a while now. I am still extremely impressed by how balanced and life-like they sound. When I show them off, people are surprised when it sounds like someone started talking or whistling in the room, but it is just the music. They are much better than the first crossover I used, with a wider sweet spot and sound good at any angle. I think those with RS225/TC9FD with the tweeter centered should strongly consider this crossover.
Thanks Keantoken. Can you post the crossover measured curves? Woofer/Tweeter/System response and step response?