10F/8424 & RS225-8 FAST / WAW Ref Monitor

[perceval]

I have put the B80 in different designs. It is a very good driver. If the 10F is way too expensive due to import duties and shipping cost, the B80 will be pretty much just as good. I wouldn't hesitate.

 

[yodog]

What about between the two 10F’s. The 14 and 24 variants? Is there a large difference between the two besides size dimensions?

 

[tushn]

Thank you xrk and perceval, will think about it some before i decide but nice input from you both.
Yodog over me here had a very good question aswell, about the difference between the two 10F.

 

[xrk971]

What about between the two 10F’s. The 14 and 24 variants? Is there a large difference between the two besides size dimensions?

Same size, the 8414 is just as good I think. The 8424 has a more powerful motor that may come into play for some horn or vented alignments but for sealed use it’s really the same.

 

[nas3000]

Are there import fees to Norway form EU? I think not.
Literally 1 minute of search
https://www.soundimports.eu/en/scan-speak-10f-8414g10.html
B80 should be even easier to find

 

[tushn]

Well nas3000, I live in Norway and I'm 100% certain that there are import fres from the EU to Norway. Why you would try to claim other wise is beyond me.
If soundimports or any other supplier had registrered in the VOEC register i could have made purchase up to 3000 NOK, inc shipping, without import taxes. But since they are not registrered i have to pay vat through the shipping handler and they normally charge around $50-80 as a fee.

But as I linked in my post we are discussing the 8414 vs B80 since those are available through soundimports.eu. The original build calls for the 8424. I even linked to the B80 through the same supplier aswell.

 

[nas3000]

Well nas3000, I live in Norway and I'm 100% certain that there are import fres from the EU to Norway. Why you would try to claim other wise is beyond me.
If soundimports or any other supplier had registrered in the VOEC register i could have made purchase up to 3000 NOK, inc shipping, without import taxes. But since they are not registrered i have to pay vat through the shipping handler and they normally charge around $50-80 as a fee.

But as I linked in my post we are discussing the 8414 vs B80 since those are available through soundimports.eu. The original build calls for the 8424. I even linked to the B80 through the same supplier aswell.

I really sorry to hear about the import and administration fees - somehow thought that Norway and EU has common trade zone. My wrong!
Probably as the other solutions could be to ask seller to sell without local EU VAT or get the goods on the next physical trip to EU.

To stay on topic: ps95, RS100 are another candidates, if you can get them. PS95 I like a lot, RS100 is too much metallic for me.

 

[jimk04]

I just got a Dayton Audio DATS from Soundimports to UK, shipped with DPD. I paid no import tax but I agree it maybe a lottery if you do or don't.

 

[RXV]

Well nas3000, I live in Norway and I'm 100% certain that there are import fres from the EU to Norway. Why you would try to claim other wise is beyond me.
If soundimports or any other supplier had registrered in the VOEC register i could have made purchase up to 3000 NOK, inc shipping, without import taxes. But since they are not registrered i have to pay vat through the shipping handler and they normally charge around $50-80 as a fee.

But as I linked in my post we are discussing the 8414 vs B80 since those are available through soundimports.eu. The original build calls for the 8424. I even linked to the B80 through the same supplier aswell.

Yes I think you are right to worry about taxes and/or other possible fees.

A friend of mine before ordered from SoundImports going to UK (via DPD courier), but the package was held at UK customs (or their port) because of hefty import fees/VAT, which was actually pretty expensive and you have to pay first.

Good thing you could reject it, and so the package was just brought back to SoundImports (took around 1-2 months to get back though).

So you need to do some research via your local government's policies/fees to make sure if it is worth it importing the things that you need.

 

[RXV]

@jimk04
Good to hear that you didn't experienced any fees to UK, it is possible that there is a maximum amount for imported goods (value) to be duty-free, above that then you must payment import fees/VAT

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[xrk971]

If anyone is looking for a pair of 10F/RS225 TLs fully built and ready to use, I have a lead from a friend willing to sell them at cost. He has too many speakers and needs room in his home. PM me.

 

[mikessi]

Finally looking at building a pair of these with 10Fs I've had for a while. But mine are the 4 ohm variant 10F/4424. Is there a schematic for an xover using 10F/4424 somewhere in this ginormous thread? If so, can someone tell me where? Thanks in advance!

 

[xrk971]

Sorry, no. I never did a XO for a 4ohm. Someone else may have tried to make one though.

 

[mikessi]

That's too bad! I might have a pair of the TC9 stashed away somewhere but it's not a 10F imo; the 10F sounds amazing. Could you guide me toward a suitable xover for the 4424 in this application if I provided T/S, frq & impedance, sensitivity measurements?

 

[xrk971]

As a start, try doubling value of C1. Circa 120uF. Maybe use 100uF bipolar electrolytic bypassed with 22uF MKP. You will have to adjust R1 to balance the high and low output.

 

[mikessi]

Sounds like a plan! Will do, measure & compare with your 8424 results -- and listen of course.

 

[xrk971]

I’m developing a new point source coaxial version of the TL with a drop in swap of the woofer with a coax and a new XO. Stay tuned.

https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/whats-on-the-bench-tonight-obt.372508/post-7350632

This is going to be a public DIY project anyone can build.

 

[bonjonno]

Those drivers are over $300 each at Parts Express, minimum order 50.

 

[xrk971]

That’s too bad. I wonder if we can get them anywhere else. I’m doing this XO as a favor for Vunce and if anyone else happens to have them, I guess cool.

 

[perceval]

Thé W6-2313 is available, slightly cheaper at $245