New fostex range: do they suit the FH3?
Would anyone care to speculate (from the T/S data) how well or poorly the new Fostex FF105WK might perform in the FH3?
Fostex FF105WK 4" Full Range
cheers
Doug
Would anyone care to speculate (from the T/S data) how well or poorly the new Fostex FF105WK might perform in the FH3?
Fostex FF105WK 4" Full Range
cheers
Doug
Wow, didn't see the new Fostex line until now.
Sure seems to be Fostex answer to Marks drivers...
This must warrant its own thread?
Sure seems to be Fostex answer to Marks drivers...
This must warrant its own thread?
I have read the entire post! At work! I have still not got a really accurate picture of what the FH3 sounds like. I have heard all the descriptions and am just about to order a flat pack.
How does the bass perform. I wont be listening to hip hop ALL the time, but i wonder about how much LF is going to come from a small box and speaker. Can any one who has built one let me know,
How does the bass perform. I wont be listening to hip hop ALL the time, but i wonder about how much LF is going to come from a small box and speaker. Can any one who has built one let me know,
We did a direct comparison to some much larger (12") speakers.
Using the CHP-70, they sound like they go low. It's only when you sit them next to said bigger speakers that their LF output is shown up - if we hadn't compared, I'd've guessed bass down to below 50Hz. They will impress.
Chris
Using the CHP-70, they sound like they go low. It's only when you sit them next to said bigger speakers that their LF output is shown up - if we hadn't compared, I'd've guessed bass down to below 50Hz. They will impress.
Chris
They're very deceptive, I can feel the bass through the floor with the Alpair 7s, they certainly don't need a sub
I don't think the FH3 is the type of speaker for hip hop 😱 Not that it won't work, you just won't have that ridiculous low (subsonic) end they add to that type of music.
I have created the wrong impression, listening to Wagners Tannhauser at the moment, but i like a "bit" of LF. I will give it a go, its not a huge investment, the flat pack and drivers, and will post my Bass impresions for any potential "Hip Hop" er's who happen to be tuning in,
Slightly off topic, but....
I demo'd the attached speakers at the Lone Star Audio Fest in May The small speaker is Alpair 7 in a 36" transmission line, the large speaker is Tang Band W8-1772 in a 45L BR. Both have F3 in the 40's. Both produce outstanding bass in the Embassy Suites room. Those who prefer jazz and girl-and-a-guitar generally chose the A7. Those who prefer rock generally chose the TB. Why? The A7 is a bit more lively and has better presence. The TB has more oomph in the upper bass. I prefer the A7 for baroque and classical (in the strict sense).
The A7's are now flanking my wide-screen where they replaced Fostex FE166En's in a 40" MLTL. The receiver crosses them to a sub at 120Hz. The A7's are hands down a better, more balanced sound than the 166's. The receiver XO works great for movies with the internal EQ set to EQ the room as flat as possible. For music, I generally run the receiver direct (2-channel, no possessing) and EQ from my computer.
Bob
I demo'd the attached speakers at the Lone Star Audio Fest in May The small speaker is Alpair 7 in a 36" transmission line, the large speaker is Tang Band W8-1772 in a 45L BR. Both have F3 in the 40's. Both produce outstanding bass in the Embassy Suites room. Those who prefer jazz and girl-and-a-guitar generally chose the A7. Those who prefer rock generally chose the TB. Why? The A7 is a bit more lively and has better presence. The TB has more oomph in the upper bass. I prefer the A7 for baroque and classical (in the strict sense).
The A7's are now flanking my wide-screen where they replaced Fostex FE166En's in a 40" MLTL. The receiver crosses them to a sub at 120Hz. The A7's are hands down a better, more balanced sound than the 166's. The receiver XO works great for movies with the internal EQ set to EQ the room as flat as possible. For music, I generally run the receiver direct (2-channel, no possessing) and EQ from my computer.
Bob
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Lovely work as always Bob. 🙂 Finish on those looks first rate. I like the combination of the full-length grill & the veneered sides too.
Bob; I found pretty much the same thing when switching from FE167E/FE127E combo to Alpair 7 for the front row 3 (IIRC crossed many 10Hz lower to the LFE channel) . The forward presentation that I don't find at all obtrusive on most music can definitely be a bit overbearing on HT in my smallish (320sq ft) room.
How much computer EQ do you find they want for music only?.
For those interested in deep bass and a bit of kick & a set of frugel-Horns, do keep in mind the optional deflector. Besides providing a slight improvement in bass extention & finese (the choke point in this design makes the gains much smaller than the original), it provides the ideal opportunity for a pair of powered stealth woofers. I'd suggest XO 60-100 Hz with a 1st order PLLXO on the FH3.
dave
dave
I did an RTA with the mic at my head position, then EQ'd it flat to ~900Hz. Then I took a few dB's off of the 1-2kHZ peak, but this has to be done very carefully or all of the magic (presence) is lost. Finally, I took 5dB's off 10-15kHz. That top edge bothers me.
I am contemplating another profile with a 5dB notch 6-7kHz to soften sibilance. This would be for pop voice only. I wouldn't want that for instrumentals.
I did try a completely flat EQ and it sounded horrible. Flat, lifeless. THIS is the sound that I heard from most every setup at LSAF, including some very expensive speakers. All of these builders/vendors are so shot with a ruler flat FR that they don't realize that that is not what our ears hear. We full-rangers get this peaked, lively response by default since so many (is that better Dave?) of the drivers we use are peaked in the presence range.
Bob
If anyone wants to watch a set being CNC machined I took a couple of vids
YouTube - Frugel Horn MK3 flat pack CNC
YouTube - Frugel Horn MK3 baffles CNC
YouTube - Frugel Horn MK3 flat pack CNC
YouTube - Frugel Horn MK3 baffles CNC
There was spare space on the board so rather than waste I made them. I had planned to use them as part of the packaging to protect the corners but don't really need them, I suppose they would make good bracing in subs and larger boxes.
For Bob
Bob,
May I ask why you crossed over your A7 at 120hz? Why not lower - say 80 hz - since your A7 can easily go below that?
Thanks,
UL
Bob,
May I ask why you crossed over your A7 at 120hz? Why not lower - say 80 hz - since your A7 can easily go below that?
Thanks,
UL
I chose the XO for the best in-room response. There was a null that filled best with the higher XO. Besides, once the A7 is crossed well above the max excursion point, it can be played crazy loud with little distortion.
Bob