I begrudge no one their religious beliefs, even if I don't have them myself. Science gives us the 'what' but not the 'why'. For that we need a new line of inquiry. Of course this is more for the less harmful variants of said religions (I'll end there so as not to offend anyone). It may seem like a cop out, but so far in my journey I just have to feel as though I don't know enough to rule a god out. Of course living with the presupposition that one exists is a different matter..and so because we may never know (at least while on this earth) I have to go with my gut, which tells me the universe is in someway at least managed, or guided. Another presupposition that many associate with a 'god' is that it has 'our' best interests in mind (presumably while even on this planet). What if 'we' are really apart of 'it'? How does that change the calculus of how 'it' treats 'us'? Perhaps even 'god' is too narrow a terminology to describe what the force is. So why would such a nebulous and squishy definition even matter? Because it helps me stay humble, and maybe even helps keep my ego in check. Just a couple random thoughts..
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^Probably best not to go too much in that direction of discussion. This isn't really the place for it. Although such conversation could be interesting in another forum that allows it. ...Maybe at least insofar as people could stay in a not-too-emotional, and more philosophical state of mind.
Yup,
People are mixing the things: their feeling, they think they are at the joystick and manage it all when they think to an idea... and so on. There are a lot of bias then come confusion and the temptation of conversion to one own's ideas and at worse elimination of what is not coping to that and his different to yourself. Well known process !
Btw, Religion as Politic being the quintescence of that by the hopes they providde to confused people. The temptation is high as it is easier to hope than to try to understand.
Maybe for the science, people (I mean maids like engineers) should read the basic of epistimology to avoid confusion.
For what we can know or not and believe we think, related to ourselves has the emitter of ideas and their limits : Kant (the trilogy book is okay) and Husserl (phenomenologia) must be read not to die idiot.
For humility and religion, history must be read with a little of modern sociology, to understand and not to mix what is culture and what we could believe what truth is. A word could help about finishing with the religion at all sauces is :"synchretism". Believing is not knowing. Religions are a cultural very human being thing. You can understand that easily by readings about their history and self influences or legacies with one anothers.
For idiots like I, read mangas or Diya ! 🤣
It's all about science baby or you are in a matrix of non proven ideas.
Having doubts and being able to have interogations is all in our nature more than what we can answer by ontology (I resume shorts the books of above, ahaha). 😛
So the the op is in the normality to ask himself, people that don't ask themselves are an anomaly or have been lobotomized !
Of course I propose to avoid such discussions as Mark is saying hence my proposal to read. It is about avoiding the divine cop punition !🥷 not to be lighthened by the flick of the thinger like in Sistin chapel ! 😱
People are mixing the things: their feeling, they think they are at the joystick and manage it all when they think to an idea... and so on. There are a lot of bias then come confusion and the temptation of conversion to one own's ideas and at worse elimination of what is not coping to that and his different to yourself. Well known process !
Btw, Religion as Politic being the quintescence of that by the hopes they providde to confused people. The temptation is high as it is easier to hope than to try to understand.
Maybe for the science, people (I mean maids like engineers) should read the basic of epistimology to avoid confusion.
For what we can know or not and believe we think, related to ourselves has the emitter of ideas and their limits : Kant (the trilogy book is okay) and Husserl (phenomenologia) must be read not to die idiot.
For humility and religion, history must be read with a little of modern sociology, to understand and not to mix what is culture and what we could believe what truth is. A word could help about finishing with the religion at all sauces is :"synchretism". Believing is not knowing. Religions are a cultural very human being thing. You can understand that easily by readings about their history and self influences or legacies with one anothers.
For idiots like I, read mangas or Diya ! 🤣
It's all about science baby or you are in a matrix of non proven ideas.
Having doubts and being able to have interogations is all in our nature more than what we can answer by ontology (I resume shorts the books of above, ahaha). 😛
So the the op is in the normality to ask himself, people that don't ask themselves are an anomaly or have been lobotomized !
Of course I propose to avoid such discussions as Mark is saying hence my proposal to read. It is about avoiding the divine cop punition !🥷 not to be lighthened by the flick of the thinger like in Sistin chapel ! 😱
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The next who says to me he is believing to flying saucers because naval pilots said so, I send him to the 42+9 aera ! lol !
The meaning of life is to have solid fundations to profit better of the Show w/o incredulity !
The meaning of life is to have solid fundations to profit better of the Show w/o incredulity !
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Another angle to this is that the idea of a 'self' is relatively new. Achilles, for instance, didn't understand that the voice inside his head was his concious self, and attributed it to a 'god' speaking to him and telling him what to do. Nicely portrayed in that movie. As did most in his time, and still many in our time, although we tend to put them in large white buildings and call them 'patients'.
Read 'The origin of conciousness in the breakdown of the bi-cameral mind' from Julian Haynes.
For me it is no coincidence that this also was the time when the three big monotheistic religions started to gain traction.
Jan
Read 'The origin of conciousness in the breakdown of the bi-cameral mind' from Julian Haynes.
For me it is no coincidence that this also was the time when the three big monotheistic religions started to gain traction.
Jan
It's discomforting that some may actually find this. I would think those who might be able to afford not dying be the least suitable candidates for it.
Eternity is a form of dictatorship of life over death.
Being alive and dictator, all I have left is to become eternal.
And I will succeed even if I die to do so !
Being alive and dictator, all I have left is to become eternal.
And I will succeed even if I die to do so !
Certainly far most ancient than that and certainly not comes from a language process, but conceptualisation and description is. And it didn't begun with those "said" monotheistic ones or anyelse ones btw.
I like the idea of Plato having made this an outside process to even more found an "dialogic unity".
WHen our far ancestor was hited with a silex in the head, they probably had a very self and close sudain feeling of themselves as "unique" 😉
A Levy Strauss worth the reading to...
Ethno psychiatry is an interresting field too. You open the TV and if having channels from many countries or even just your, it is immediatly clear !
The meaning of life and one's life are embrassing a lot of different things according not only the individual but where it comes from (literally, inside an history too). That's also how you have found people that seriously believe psychanilism is not a scam. Same process of magic wording (for fools). Listen to Lacan confs or read just Freud...
Tonigth I watched Truman Capote movie, liked a lot the descriptions according the angles of who is seing them.
The sense of life is not to be hited by a silex... or anything else.
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When I was very young and VERY naive, I had this belief & rule that was to trust everyone until they did something to change 'the rule'.
I believe that this naivety led many to see me as a 'gullible sucker'. This goes a long way to describe myself as seeming to get "Wrong Karma".
After long and disillusioning living, I had to realize that there are various kinds of people > then I found books that clearly described
different personality types.
Then after more time, I came to the SAD realization that Good & Evil do actually exist. ( I have always been a slow learner )
SO, with all the above, it becomes abundantly clear that there will never be a consensus as to what "The Meaning of Life" is.
It is just too personal and subjective 👽
I believe that this naivety led many to see me as a 'gullible sucker'. This goes a long way to describe myself as seeming to get "Wrong Karma".
After long and disillusioning living, I had to realize that there are various kinds of people > then I found books that clearly described
different personality types.
Then after more time, I came to the SAD realization that Good & Evil do actually exist. ( I have always been a slow learner )
SO, with all the above, it becomes abundantly clear that there will never be a consensus as to what "The Meaning of Life" is.
It is just too personal and subjective 👽
And if only we was rulling 100% our joystick (brain) to rule ourselves, a lot of our process are not free(dom). We think we rule, but a lot of process we do are not "intentional". Life is a journey... not so confortable. But there are good sides ! 🙂
And between the manicheism, you have a lot of variety of colours, not only on the moralism side of existenz. That's crazy a part of the world do think things are splitted between GOOD & EVIL (just for the illustration) and the other part of the world do want you think so. We never see a priest whatever the religion really working, but fear is a good instrument, culpability too !(and it has different forms due to the many differents cultures in the world).
Oh damn that dangerous weigth of the society that exort you to success ! That's blood sucking process, isn't it ?
There is a lot of pressure everywhere. First of all here (for illustration) : do I have the best hifi, etc. We like to hit ourselves sometimes.
And if a group is explaining you for whatever reason you are not free of your body... flee, they already explain you you will be damned or at best you will go in jail or your monney took to serve their idea of what verity is !
Thanks to Gutemberg, ideas and education are spreading.
And between the manicheism, you have a lot of variety of colours, not only on the moralism side of existenz. That's crazy a part of the world do think things are splitted between GOOD & EVIL (just for the illustration) and the other part of the world do want you think so. We never see a priest whatever the religion really working, but fear is a good instrument, culpability too !(and it has different forms due to the many differents cultures in the world).
Oh damn that dangerous weigth of the society that exort you to success ! That's blood sucking process, isn't it ?
There is a lot of pressure everywhere. First of all here (for illustration) : do I have the best hifi, etc. We like to hit ourselves sometimes.
And if a group is explaining you for whatever reason you are not free of your body... flee, they already explain you you will be damned or at best you will go in jail or your monney took to serve their idea of what verity is !
Thanks to Gutemberg, ideas and education are spreading.
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Wait a little more, everything will fall into its place, when the time is right.
Human kind is very often utterly illogical and the result is seemingly chaotic situation.
Some spend most of their life looking for ways to destroy their body and mind, and
then present themselves to the world as a role model. Of course, they were just enjoying
themselves.
There is an expiration date to the element of confusion. Don't worry and don't be sad!
Maybe a little OT, but >
When the entirety of the democratic countries in the world seem to be split nearly 50/50, we need to ask ourselves - what is this about ??
It would seem to be as simple as > "Those that have" and "Those that have not". Where those 'who have' want to preserve or increase what they have,
and those that 'don't have' want more ...
WHAT DO YOU THINK THIS SAYS ABOUT THE WORLD WE ARE LIVING IN ???
When the entirety of the democratic countries in the world seem to be split nearly 50/50, we need to ask ourselves - what is this about ??
It would seem to be as simple as > "Those that have" and "Those that have not". Where those 'who have' want to preserve or increase what they have,
and those that 'don't have' want more ...
WHAT DO YOU THINK THIS SAYS ABOUT THE WORLD WE ARE LIVING IN ???
It is off topic
The meaning of life us not to have or have not, but having enough. When the objects and superficial things corupt your soûl and slave by désire, then you become less free. And you will find always someone that exploit a part of your working force to fulfill his better life on your back. They even will make you believe about Gods or Nation or whatever to put spices of far abroad in them meals. Lying at TV for fonds as à dentist.
Show (Business) must goes on.
Sense of life is to find own good mix between what you need and your freedom. You go to church if you want and not if you don't want.
You make loudspeakers if you want or not. As far you understand what stands behind and what is the full cost of that(global warming, etc).
Certainly not easy. Your body and joystick is selfish and want peace.
But strangly we can not live alone, so others matter. And even cats and dogs. I like those last better than crazy church people. But that is okay as far you are free of your beliefs. 😀.
What à progress since dark ages. I am not in the obligation to pay the taxes to the church and priests. I pay VAT only if I want a driver or parts and I am free to say for myself it is BS.
Sense of life is about to know on what Stone you want to sit. And if someone else has chosen it instead you. Knowing is always better than believing. It is not confortable. But it is good...
Yes it is not easy to be human being. You have more skill to question than to answer by nature (the word is by ontology).
But I like to remember science found this is not our specy that ruled the fire first (around 800 000 BC in some archeology discoveries). It helps as we are very centred on ourselves. For others they are beliefs, poker,audio, etc.
The meaning of life is your freedom, now you can if not à slave.
The meaning of life us not to have or have not, but having enough. When the objects and superficial things corupt your soûl and slave by désire, then you become less free. And you will find always someone that exploit a part of your working force to fulfill his better life on your back. They even will make you believe about Gods or Nation or whatever to put spices of far abroad in them meals. Lying at TV for fonds as à dentist.
Show (Business) must goes on.
Sense of life is to find own good mix between what you need and your freedom. You go to church if you want and not if you don't want.
You make loudspeakers if you want or not. As far you understand what stands behind and what is the full cost of that(global warming, etc).
Certainly not easy. Your body and joystick is selfish and want peace.
But strangly we can not live alone, so others matter. And even cats and dogs. I like those last better than crazy church people. But that is okay as far you are free of your beliefs. 😀.
What à progress since dark ages. I am not in the obligation to pay the taxes to the church and priests. I pay VAT only if I want a driver or parts and I am free to say for myself it is BS.
Sense of life is about to know on what Stone you want to sit. And if someone else has chosen it instead you. Knowing is always better than believing. It is not confortable. But it is good...
Yes it is not easy to be human being. You have more skill to question than to answer by nature (the word is by ontology).
But I like to remember science found this is not our specy that ruled the fire first (around 800 000 BC in some archeology discoveries). It helps as we are very centred on ourselves. For others they are beliefs, poker,audio, etc.
The meaning of life is your freedom, now you can if not à slave.
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Wouldn't good and evil existing actually point to more objectivity? If you define Good as not harming others, not stealing, not lying, etc. Evil as opposites of those. Then you have some very solid guidelines to follow in life. No? I think the danger is more that good and evil is interpreted subjectively, "I had to do harm because those who I harmed were evil."
Would also say to your notion of "different types of people" that the nature of the mind is the same for all of us. We are just as capable of the cruelties that we relegate to others. It's important that we keep that in mind. Otherwise when we are faced with situations when we have acted improperly we might think "I would never act in such a way, I'm just not that type of person."
I was informed some time ago that there is a 'New Age' term given to people who have a profoundly felt and exaggerated sense of Humility >
They are called "Empaths". There would definitely be 'links' to mental illness, but such people do exist and greatly feel the pain of others 😕
They are called "Empaths". There would definitely be 'links' to mental illness, but such people do exist and greatly feel the pain of others 😕
If that is the meaning, why are you born at all?
It would all be much simpler if you (and the rest of us) weren't here.
It is senseless, really.
Jan
We all have empathy, but we differ in how much. Itis a gradual scale.
If you want to put a cut-off line above which you believe it is pathological, sure, but that's pretty ambiguous.
Jan
