Hi AudioFreak,
I don't know either, No read books about progressiv rock history ! According to what I believe to know (far from being myself a specialist of music history) : Pink Floyd is the paradigm of progressiv rock, but really don't know !
What DrDyna linked sounds more to me like a family of Metal music (which one, now there is sometimes one movement word invented just for one band!!!!)
I use to listen Dream Theaterin the 2000s, but when arrengements, notes are too complex I have a headache !
Progressive rock for me refers more now to the grup I talked above : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBB268VkZSA
I'm sure it is not classified progressive rock, but for me it is ! It sounds like 70s ! But with all the originals things made between middle od the sixties to the Summer of Love in States (till around 1972).... one can really lost !
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Dream Theater yeah that's way more Modern Progressive/Epic/Orchestra like Rock/Metal, A lot of stuff, Petrucci does is just Progressive like. Whatever you want call it.
No, I like a lot of the Complex arrangements/phrasing's/composition's.
I don't know, all the genres/whatever style/how grouped etc, it can be very subjective.
Dream Theater yeah that's way more Modern Progressive/Epic/Orchestra like Rock/Metal, A lot of stuff, Petrucci does is just Progressive like. Whatever you want call it.
No, I like a lot of the Complex arrangements/phrasing's/composition's.
I don't know, all the genres/whatever style/how grouped etc, it can be very subjective.
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I used to like them, but think it's very too complex for my tastes !
In an total different domain it's like when I listen Lana del Ray and London Grammar, or Lorde : Young talents ! The first is said to be an example to follow for femal voice band grups but I like much more the two later ! More minimalist, more nice to me to listen ! Believe it asks more talent to make minimalist and sound good !
I was very astonished by the talent of those Young grups : Lorde should have 18 and London Grammar maybe less than 25 for the 3 members ! Ok they are managed maybe in studios by more experimented people, but at least what a talent !
In an total different domain it's like when I listen Lana del Ray and London Grammar, or Lorde : Young talents ! The first is said to be an example to follow for femal voice band grups but I like much more the two later ! More minimalist, more nice to me to listen ! Believe it asks more talent to make minimalist and sound good !
I was very astonished by the talent of those Young grups : Lorde should have 18 and London Grammar maybe less than 25 for the 3 members ! Ok they are managed maybe in studios by more experimented people, but at least what a talent !
One glue to this thread : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1UrPG0FRxk&list=RDT1UrPG0FRxk
Martin Circus ! You should like it ! They didn't take themselves seriously !
Martin Circus ! You should like it ! They didn't take themselves seriously !
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Ah, just listened to Stomu Ya'mashta "Go". You are right Jim, that album is every bit as good as I remembered it. Thanks for the reminder!
You must be pretty out of it if you can't follow Eldam's English! 🙂
no, but I'm on the look out for new prog stuff, so I'll look it up.
My 2 cents Regarding the classification of Pink Floyd's musical style.
They almost certainly started off doing experimental psychedelic rock, I don't think the term Progressive rock had been coined yet. What they were doing in the 70s probably covered several genres, from popular rock, e.g The singles, "Another brick in the wall part 2" & "Money" though the latter was only really successful in the US. The lengthy track "Echoes" and one of my favorite PF tracks was undoubtedly into the realms of Progressive rock. Dark side of the Moon, has some of their best songs and I think it was their most commercially successful release. It has also been suggested ( somewhere? ) that DSoTM might be the best album ever released in the history of music, it is certainly one of my favorite albums of all time. After DSoTM, their style became a lot darker. The wall was definitely a progressive album, and the full version of "Shine on you crazy diamond" in all its great 9 parts (I think) is definitely a progressive master piece. I think the album after the wall, I forget the name, because I don't really care for it, was the epitome of Rogers bleak artistic self indulgence.
The stuff they've done since Rogers left is very listenable, but I'm not sure that you could call it progressive rock anymore, just very good rock music.
Gordon.
Think of one of those interview/video's of Roger, ..he was talking about time/alienation or some ****, I remember that haha, it sounded like just a bunch of word salad stuff etc haha
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@ Gordon
Yes. The Final Cut. Definitely where David and the rest got tired of Roger's whinging. Hence, the end of the full ensemble.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Waters hater. I just had my fill. Once in a while I'll put on Radio K.A.O.S. to reminisce, and there are a few tracks on Amused to Death that I still find very poignant (Perfect Sense, Part 1 is excellent, IMO), but overall I am done with Roger.
Mr. Gilmour and the post-Waters Floyd, however, still gets lots and lots of play time at my house. And the early Floyd stuff as well. Pretty-much everything before "The Wall" is still some of my favourite stuff to listen to.
Perfect Sense, Part I:
The monkey sat on a pile of stones
And stared at the broken bone in his hand
And the stains of a Viennese quartet
Rang out across the land
The monkey looked up at the stars
And thought to himself
Memory is a stranger
History is for fools
And he cleaned his hands
In a pool of holy writing
Turned his back on the garden
And set out for the nearest town
Hold on hold on soldier
When you add it all up
The tears and the marrowbone
There's an ounce of gold
And an ounce of pride in each ledger
And the Germans killed the Jews
And the Jews killed the Arabs
And the Arabs killed the hostages
And that is the news
And is it any wonder
That the monkey's confused
He said Mama Mama
The President's a fool
Why do I have to keep reading
These technical manuals
And the joint chiefs of staff
And the brokers on Wall Street said
Don't make us laugh
You're a smart kid
Time is linear
Memory is a stranger
History is for fools
Man is a tool in the hands
Of the great God Almighty
And they gave him command
Of a nuclear submarine
And sent him back in search of
The Garden of Eden
Yes. The Final Cut. Definitely where David and the rest got tired of Roger's whinging. Hence, the end of the full ensemble.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Waters hater. I just had my fill. Once in a while I'll put on Radio K.A.O.S. to reminisce, and there are a few tracks on Amused to Death that I still find very poignant (Perfect Sense, Part 1 is excellent, IMO), but overall I am done with Roger.
Mr. Gilmour and the post-Waters Floyd, however, still gets lots and lots of play time at my house. And the early Floyd stuff as well. Pretty-much everything before "The Wall" is still some of my favourite stuff to listen to.
Perfect Sense, Part I:
The monkey sat on a pile of stones
And stared at the broken bone in his hand
And the stains of a Viennese quartet
Rang out across the land
The monkey looked up at the stars
And thought to himself
Memory is a stranger
History is for fools
And he cleaned his hands
In a pool of holy writing
Turned his back on the garden
And set out for the nearest town
Hold on hold on soldier
When you add it all up
The tears and the marrowbone
There's an ounce of gold
And an ounce of pride in each ledger
And the Germans killed the Jews
And the Jews killed the Arabs
And the Arabs killed the hostages
And that is the news
And is it any wonder
That the monkey's confused
He said Mama Mama
The President's a fool
Why do I have to keep reading
These technical manuals
And the joint chiefs of staff
And the brokers on Wall Street said
Don't make us laugh
You're a smart kid
Time is linear
Memory is a stranger
History is for fools
Man is a tool in the hands
Of the great God Almighty
And they gave him command
Of a nuclear submarine
And sent him back in search of
The Garden of Eden
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If I had a time machine. My first visit would be Pompeii, October 4th-7th, 1971.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I88q_OwgxUQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I88q_OwgxUQ
My time machine would take me back to "Brain Salad Surgery", ELP, (1973?), best concert ever, for me. Then I'd drop by "Passion Play" Jethro Tull, my second favorite concert, then home to bed.
Yes! I have it on DVD, so that will have to suffice.
In general I like almost all PF, with the exception, as I said of "The Final Cut" My sentiments are pretty much the same as yours, we ( my friends and I, all big PF fans and big smokers too ) had had enough of Rogers' whinging! One of my friends, also bought the "Radio K.A.O.S" album and I did hear it a few times, but never bought it and never had a serious listen to it.
The latest PF album was a dissapointment to me, not so much because I'd thought it bad, but that I'd fallen for a rumour that Waters had rejoined the band following the success of the LIVE8 concert. In fairness I need to buy it and have a proper listen, not just on YT, as it was at least of the same quality as the previous non Waters stuff.
I do find some of the really early stuff a bit odd, in the absence of psychomimetic enhancement. TBH, I'm not sure who to go to for a bit of weed if I were to take the notion of another smoking and listening session! That's a path though That the wife would probably regard with scornful eyes!
Gordon.
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An interesting thing happened today when I was tidying up stuff in the bedroom. I came across a bag of old tapes.
( I have to include this thought I had whilst typing this, taken out of context "An interesting thing happened when I was tidying up stuff in the bedroom. I came across...", well I thought it was funny!) Anyway I found a bag of old tapes of music that I'd produced both individually and with various friends back in the early 90s. I also came across one of these old Walkman type personal cassette players and my youngest daughter, who is 6 and never seen this sort of thing before, was fascinated. We found a pair of AA batteries for it and she has been enjoying the tapes for a good part of the rest of the day. Moments like that are priceless.
Gordon.
( I have to include this thought I had whilst typing this, taken out of context "An interesting thing happened when I was tidying up stuff in the bedroom. I came across...", well I thought it was funny!) Anyway I found a bag of old tapes of music that I'd produced both individually and with various friends back in the early 90s. I also came across one of these old Walkman type personal cassette players and my youngest daughter, who is 6 and never seen this sort of thing before, was fascinated. We found a pair of AA batteries for it and she has been enjoying the tapes for a good part of the rest of the day. Moments like that are priceless.
Gordon.
I doubt there is anything resembling "official," but I usually found psychedelic to be a sub-genre of prog.
HEY ! Attention : my honour, etc, etc !😉
That's true I have the English of Chewbacca in Star-Wars !😀.
Hope it's clear and can be understood most of the time !
Thank you guys to make the efforts to read it !😱
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