Exactly, WE have those.
They are laws, as far we currently understand them. The fact that most of humanity was traveling by horseback a mere 150 years ago, should give you pause in your certitude.
Yes, but those are not examples of good hoaxes. 🙄
It would be a logical fallacy to conclude that because some/most are hoaxes, all are hoaxes. 😉
I doubt that the Navy is being fooled by a hoax.
It would be a logical fallacy to conclude that because some/most are hoaxes, all are hoaxes. 😉
I doubt that the Navy is being fooled by a hoax.
There is a theory out there that says the Navy are making all these stuffs up to ask for more funding for their space force or whatever that is.
No, it's not a theory about everything. It can't explain dark energy or dark matter which is 90% of what we don't see.
It can only approximate reality but it's NOT reality.
All UFO'd out yet?
Weary of the stories and supposed hoaxes?
Back in July 1969, at the ripe old age of 16, I was laying in my bed, awake around 1 AM, sweating, due to it being a hot summer night.
The cheap table fan was humming across the room, on a table by the window, it was the only breeze, since I didn't have an air conditioner until later on, when I started working at ITE Imperial Corp and got paychecks.😀
So I lay there, trying to doze off, and suddenly I hear this high-pitched whistle sound, you know, like the subtle non directional yet annoying sound of a TV set's HV flyback transformer.
I thought it was the table fan needing oil, so I got out of bed and shut it off, intending to go down in the basement to get some oil for it.
Only, once the fan stopped, the whistle kept going.
I looked out the bedroom window, and there was this globe-like thing hovering motionless about 100 feet away right over old man Allen's rooftop.
No lights, no movement, it was like it was frozen there, about 10 feet above his roof.
I estimate it was around 8 or 10 feet in diameter, and a dark greyish color.
I watched it for a minute or so, then went to my parents bedroom to get mom, I wanted her to see this thing.
I woke her up, and she whispered not to wake up dad, since he was drunk and she didn't want him waking up and tormenting everybody.
She told me to go back to bed, and refused to budge.
So I go back to my room, and this thing's still out there, with that whistle going on, for about 20 more minutes...
I sat mezmerized on a chair by the window, watching it.
Then, suddenly, it shot straight up in the sky, dissapearing in the blink of an eye, and that whistle stopped too, like turning off a light switch.
I'll never forget that night as long as I live.
Next morning, mom was making us all breakfast, and she says to me "What was so important last night that you had to wake me up?"
I told her, and she laughed, my friends that I told were amused too, so I basically stopped telling the story of this incident. 🙁
Weary of the stories and supposed hoaxes?
Back in July 1969, at the ripe old age of 16, I was laying in my bed, awake around 1 AM, sweating, due to it being a hot summer night.
The cheap table fan was humming across the room, on a table by the window, it was the only breeze, since I didn't have an air conditioner until later on, when I started working at ITE Imperial Corp and got paychecks.😀
So I lay there, trying to doze off, and suddenly I hear this high-pitched whistle sound, you know, like the subtle non directional yet annoying sound of a TV set's HV flyback transformer.
I thought it was the table fan needing oil, so I got out of bed and shut it off, intending to go down in the basement to get some oil for it.
Only, once the fan stopped, the whistle kept going.
I looked out the bedroom window, and there was this globe-like thing hovering motionless about 100 feet away right over old man Allen's rooftop.
No lights, no movement, it was like it was frozen there, about 10 feet above his roof.
I estimate it was around 8 or 10 feet in diameter, and a dark greyish color.
I watched it for a minute or so, then went to my parents bedroom to get mom, I wanted her to see this thing.
I woke her up, and she whispered not to wake up dad, since he was drunk and she didn't want him waking up and tormenting everybody.
She told me to go back to bed, and refused to budge.
So I go back to my room, and this thing's still out there, with that whistle going on, for about 20 more minutes...
I sat mezmerized on a chair by the window, watching it.
Then, suddenly, it shot straight up in the sky, dissapearing in the blink of an eye, and that whistle stopped too, like turning off a light switch.
I'll never forget that night as long as I live.
Next morning, mom was making us all breakfast, and she says to me "What was so important last night that you had to wake me up?"
I told her, and she laughed, my friends that I told were amused too, so I basically stopped telling the story of this incident. 🙁
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Well told anecdotal report. I suspect that more regular people than we realize have had similar encounters (I have not), but are understandably hesitant to come forward for fear of being ridiculed.
Well told anecdotal report. Reports of weird, small spheres are especially common. I suspect that more regular people than we realize have had similar encounters (I have not), but are understandably hesitant to come forward for fear of being ridiculed.
No one is saying interstellar flight is impossible. What we are saying is that at c there are fundamental physical constraints to overcome. If physics is the same throughout the universe then Indiglo’s post on the forces involved should be considered one of the problems.
However, the elephant in in the room remains that the required energies to accelerate even a small mass (say a 10 ton spacecraft) remain enormous.
I don’t understand how E=MC^2 can be called nonsense.
However, the elephant in in the room remains that the required energies to accelerate even a small mass (say a 10 ton spacecraft) remain enormous.
I don’t understand how E=MC^2 can be called nonsense.
Just some takes from around the 1900's:
It is apparent to me that the possibilities of the aeroplane, which two or three years ago were thought to hold the solution to the [flying machine] problem, have been exhausted, and that we must turn elsewhere.
— Thomas Edison, November 1895
Kelvin
I can state flatly that heavier than air flying machines are impossible.
— Lord Kelvin, 1895
I have not the smallest molecule of faith in aerial navigation other than ballooning, or of the expectation of good results from any of the trials we heard of. So you will understand that I would not care to be a member of the Aeronautical Society.
— Lord Kelvin, 1896
How that turned out
It is nonsense because stating it doesn't exclude interstellar flight impossible.
It merely demonstrates that the possibility of doing it by classical speed enhancement (approaching C) would be low.
However, that doesn't say anything at all about it being possible by other means.
So ruling out interstellar flight is likely on the basis of classic speed enhancement, but thinking we know all there is to know about any other way we might bend space, time or whatever to achieve it is:
Unknown.
That, to me is as unscientific as, like they once did, state flying through the air was impossible, because it just shows there were other laws of physics needed to get an airplane in the air.
It would be premature saying we know all rules and applications of current as well as future physics, so it isn't possible.
It just ain't so and we should be happy about that!
On top of that: it is hardly complete, that's not to be taken lightly.
Besides, there are growing doubts about the standard model.
First thing I thought when seeing this: "Oh look, some obscure military UFO units seeks to ensure future funding."
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LOL, you think an advanced alien civilization would choose to have their space craft buzz a few military planes as the best option to introduce themselves without causing panic
There's a novel by (IIRC one of the Fred Pohl's Heechee series), where a child asks one of the main characters why the HeeChee did the things they did in the way they did. The man's response was, That's the thing about aliens, they're alien
UNDER OUR CURRENTLY UNDERSTANDING BUT IF OUR UNDERSTANDINGS ARE FLAWED THEN WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS ALSO FLAWED.
Physics are the same. But our knowledge is incomplete.
Again, there is a reason why Einstein never got the Nobel Prize for his relativity because nobody can prove it or disprove it and it is still remained a theory.
There is space-time warping that can make interstellar traveling possible. Just because you don't understand it, does not mean it can't be done.
"Again, there is a reason why Einstein never got the Nobel Prize for his relativity because
nobody can prove it or disprove it and it is still remained a theory."
That is not how science works, and that is not what a scientific theory is.
Popper, Karl: Philosophy of Science | Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy
nobody can prove it or disprove it and it is still remained a theory."
That is not how science works, and that is not what a scientific theory is.
Popper, Karl: Philosophy of Science | Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy
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