hi Patrik I have seen new printed circuit boards on the photos just posted by twitchie I would like to know how I could get a pair or where to buy them
As far as I am concerned, there is no advantage in the long-version.
The version I published will fit the usual 100x100mm footprint of PCB shops.
And the design is done such that it does not require 70µm copper.
The design of Twitchie is his own work.
As far as I can see, it does not have provision of DC servo.
It also has much longer copper traces.
And there is no visible increase in MOSFET thermal spacing.
So it is not what I would recommend.
If you must have that, you should contact Twitchie on your own.
And he will have to address any issues with that PCB design.
Patrick
The version I published will fit the usual 100x100mm footprint of PCB shops.
And the design is done such that it does not require 70µm copper.
The design of Twitchie is his own work.
As far as I can see, it does not have provision of DC servo.
It also has much longer copper traces.
And there is no visible increase in MOSFET thermal spacing.
So it is not what I would recommend.
If you must have that, you should contact Twitchie on your own.
And he will have to address any issues with that PCB design.
Patrick
First measurements of Harris IRFP9240 vs. FQA9P25.
This was done at room temperature using pulse excitation.
So expect both Vgs and Yfs to drop noticeably in Class A linear circuits.
Patrick
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Is the
FQA9P25 really better than Irfp9140 or 9240?
Any N complementary for FQA9P25?
> Is the FQA9P25 really better than Irfp9140 or 9240?
In this application for sure.
Backed up by measurements.
> Any N complementary for FQA9P25?
Have not investigated.
Patrick
In this application for sure.
Backed up by measurements.
> Any N complementary for FQA9P25?
Have not investigated.
Patrick
Already explained in the revsion PDF :
https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/att...s-dont-semisouths-udness-revisions-191219-pdf
Patrick
https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/att...s-dont-semisouths-udness-revisions-191219-pdf
Patrick
I just used the balanced connection with a balanced source and all my hum/buzz problems were solved. I do not know exactly what caused the interference in the first place but most probably a ground loop.I have asked Morde to share how he did it with differential inputs.
Maybe wait for his input as well.
I have a thermistor between chassis gnd and PSU gnd as desribed in the Pass CRC PSU schematic for example here: F6 Illustrated Build Guide
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ever tried the STP10P6F6 as output device for a low power version?
Decent Yfs estimated round 15
Decent Yfs estimated round 15
After posting results for our speculated DC F_Ate :
First Watt F8
someone asked if a N-JFET + PMOS inversion is possible.
Of course it is, in Spice at least. 😉
You should really use a cascode to reduce the dissipations of the 2SK209GRs.
Alternatively, a single 2SK170BL (~8mA Idss) would do nicely.
Patrick
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First Watt F8
someone asked if a N-JFET + PMOS inversion is possible.
Of course it is, in Spice at least. 😉
You should really use a cascode to reduce the dissipations of the 2SK209GRs.
Alternatively, a single 2SK170BL (~8mA Idss) would do nicely.
Patrick
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this seems really GREAT!
Thanks a lot for investigating this Patrick.
I there a way to avoid cascoding with 2sk2145?
Maybe with 3mA Idss and +-15V psu it should be feasible?
25Vx3mA= 75mW 50%from max power margin (150mW)
Or using J113....
why do you use Q2 and D1 for the cascoding bias?
a simpler resistor network wouldn't be sufficient?
Thanks a lot for investigating this Patrick.
I there a way to avoid cascoding with 2sk2145?
Maybe with 3mA Idss and +-15V psu it should be feasible?
25Vx3mA= 75mW 50%from max power margin (150mW)
Or using J113....
why do you use Q2 and D1 for the cascoding bias?
a simpler resistor network wouldn't be sufficient?
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> why do you use Q2 and D1 for the cascoding bias?
> a simpler resistor network wouldn't be sufficient?
For power supply rejection. D1 is actually LM329.
But you can use 2 resistors and a cap.
Patrick
> a simpler resistor network wouldn't be sufficient?
For power supply rejection. D1 is actually LM329.
But you can use 2 resistors and a cap.
Patrick
After posting results for our speculated DC F_Ate :
First Watt F8
someone asked if a N-JFET + PMOS inversion is possible.
Of course it is, in Spice at least. 😉
You should really use a cascode to reduce the dissipations of the 2SK209GRs.
Alternatively, a single 2SK170BL (~8mA Idss) would do nicely.
Patrick.
Hi Patrick,
A thought occurred to me while thinking about a version with a little more power. One solution is to cascode the input device. But, in spirit of simplicity as Nelson advocate, I came to wonder if one accepts AC coupling, as Nelson's F8, one could arrange the offset voltage and thereby the voltage across the input device so it stays well within the maximum limits could make it possible to avoid cascoding. I assume one could choose a resonable valued feedback resistor to get some voltage drop across it to lower the VDS of the input device.
Do you see any fault in my thinking?
Another matter is of course how many mosfets can be driven with a single input jfet. But that is another story.
Mogens
2SK209 is rated at 50V, 150mW.
In theory you can go up to +/-45V rails, as long as all devices can take the dissipation.
Changing supply rails from +/-50V to single supply of 100V does not change anything in terms of output power.
You only add complication with additional input and output coupling.
The argument for single supply rail is because people want to use cheap SMPS for supply.
But why would you spend money to build Class A and then save money on PSU ?
As to increasing the number of MOSFETs, the Spice files are published.
So you can play with any variations as you wish.
Patrick
In theory you can go up to +/-45V rails, as long as all devices can take the dissipation.
Changing supply rails from +/-50V to single supply of 100V does not change anything in terms of output power.
You only add complication with additional input and output coupling.
The argument for single supply rail is because people want to use cheap SMPS for supply.
But why would you spend money to build Class A and then save money on PSU ?
As to increasing the number of MOSFETs, the Spice files are published.
So you can play with any variations as you wish.
Patrick
Hi Patrick,
Thanks, I was thinking of using either 2SK170 or 2SJ74 and shoot for something like 50W. I will try to play around with the sim.
Cheers,
Mogens
Thanks, I was thinking of using either 2SK170 or 2SJ74 and shoot for something like 50W. I will try to play around with the sim.
Cheers,
Mogens
UDNeSS is about using active devices. So no need to use 2SK170s.
2x 2SK209GR will replace 1x 2SK170BL adequately.
50W rms into 8R means +/-32V rails and 1.8A bias.
You will need a total of 4 matched MOSFETs, each dissipating 29W.
This is just simuilation.
So build at own risk.
Patrick
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2x 2SK209GR will replace 1x 2SK170BL adequately.
50W rms into 8R means +/-32V rails and 1.8A bias.
You will need a total of 4 matched MOSFETs, each dissipating 29W.
This is just simuilation.
So build at own risk.
Patrick
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I don't use IRF's, especially not PMOS.
You can try to get Harris IRFPs.
But they are not active.
Patrick
You can try to get Harris IRFPs.
But they are not active.
Patrick
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