Hi Dave and crew.
how did you arrive at that size of baffle and would less be better than none?
I was thinking of a smaller stop sign.
my placement will not be a empty corner but set back in corner that has some freestanding cabinents.
I know its a matter of experimentation and tweaking but as everyone moves along there is more knowledge on what works well and what does not.
Each time I read a post I slowly discover the level of expertise that has gone into this project from so many people. Being rather new to this I don't know all the names but as I make my way around the DIY builders I am amazed at the involvement just for a little DIY box that sits in a corner
Thanks to my educators.
how did you arrive at that size of baffle and would less be better than none?
I was thinking of a smaller stop sign.
my placement will not be a empty corner but set back in corner that has some freestanding cabinents.
I know its a matter of experimentation and tweaking but as everyone moves along there is more knowledge on what works well and what does not.
Each time I read a post I slowly discover the level of expertise that has gone into this project from so many people. Being rather new to this I don't know all the names but as I make my way around the DIY builders I am amazed at the involvement just for a little DIY box that sits in a corner
Thanks to my educators.
tinitus said:I am sorry to say, but the swan has turned into a ugly duckling - but ok, sound is more important
But rounding corners up a bit would help a lot or even better making baffle around driver oval shaped
The design is intended as a base-line from which a huge amount of room for personal & artistic variation can be expressed.
dave
Kent Smith said:Well.... how's it working?
They work really well... with a few tweaks to the design (and a fair amount of document development) ... this will be the same as the 1st release version.
Development will continue based on the input from many builders..
dave
Dave,
Don't let a couple opinions from those who have different tastes discourage you in any way. To me this one is by far the best looking supra-baffle implementation. Painting the voids black to highlight that they are voids would improve the artistry of that particular pair.
Do you have any front view pics with a person of average size in the frame, so everyone can really get a feel of their diminutive proportions? I've seen pictures with Chris and with the basketball player, two ends of the spectrum.
Don't let a couple opinions from those who have different tastes discourage you in any way. To me this one is by far the best looking supra-baffle implementation. Painting the voids black to highlight that they are voids would improve the artistry of that particular pair.
Do you have any front view pics with a person of average size in the frame, so everyone can really get a feel of their diminutive proportions? I've seen pictures with Chris and with the basketball player, two ends of the spectrum.
johninCR said:Don't let a couple opinions from those who have different tastes discourage you in any way. To me this one is by far the best looking supra-baffle implementation. Painting the voids black to highlight that they are voids would improve the artistry of that particular pair.
I won't. There are so many ways of expressing this design, i expect to see many, many variations. We'll not likely do the cut-aways like this again -- way to much work, and the void on the bottom will also be completely cut-away as in the SketchUp render i posted earlier. They will also be easier if the supra-baffle (with driver installed) is a separate piece (it can still be flush0
Do you have any front view pics with a person of average size in the frame, so everyone can really get a feel of their diminutive proportions? I've seen pictures with Chris and with the basketball player, two ends of the spectrum.
No i didn't -- i'm still expecting pictures from Frank, Gregg & Terry -- one thing for sure is that everybody who sees them the 1st time, says " they ae smaller than i imagined from the pictures on the web". Chris is about the same height i am 1.78 m. The other dave over 6'.
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dave
Scottmoose said:I wonder if self-expanding foam would be a good damper for the un-used cavity if you don't cut it out? Doesn't store energy like heavy things like sand or lead shot etc.
I've tried that... it is actually a bit noisy (and can be a lot messy). Sand (or sand & kitty litter -- or sand & lead shot) is better.
dave
Those look great Dave! I'm completely in awe and excited I can't even think straight!
Question: Those nice corner panels that you built, does that seem to increase the mouth of the horn & give a more lower impact?
quote:
Second the internal panels are joined with square cut edges, I wonder if using a router to round off these edeges and placing rounded timber inserts in the corners so the pathways are smoother would have any sonic benefits by causing less disturbance to the waves.
To maximize HF passing thru the horn yes, but here we want to limit the HF getting thru the horn, so it might actually degrade the sonics... layertone is working on an "all swoop" version, we'll see. Experimentation is encoraged.
Been side-tracking the last several months; a "layertone" version is in progress
Question: Those nice corner panels that you built, does that seem to increase the mouth of the horn & give a more lower impact?
quote:
Second the internal panels are joined with square cut edges, I wonder if using a router to round off these edeges and placing rounded timber inserts in the corners so the pathways are smoother would have any sonic benefits by causing less disturbance to the waves.
To maximize HF passing thru the horn yes, but here we want to limit the HF getting thru the horn, so it might actually degrade the sonics... layertone is working on an "all swoop" version, we'll see. Experimentation is encoraged.
Been side-tracking the last several months; a "layertone" version is in progress
An externally hosted image should be here but it was not working when we last tested it.
layertone said:Question: Those nice corner panels that you built, does that seem to increase the mouth of the horn & give a more lower impact?
They were intended as portable corners (since my place doesn't have any suitable corners, but with the deflectors in place, the base wasn't deep enuff, so we just used them as another piece of horn... inadvertantly illustrating how the Frugel-Horn might be used anywhere in a room...
dave
Hey all,
I just bought myself a sheet of cheap plywood and will get started on a set of frugels starting right now. I plan to use the 108s, but for now I will just play around with a pair of Tang Band units I had from an earlier project.
Any ideas how these will work in the frugels?
http://www.ritlab.jp/shop/product/speaker/pdf/tangband/w4-930sc.pdf
I just bought myself a sheet of cheap plywood and will get started on a set of frugels starting right now. I plan to use the 108s, but for now I will just play around with a pair of Tang Band units I had from an earlier project.
Any ideas how these will work in the frugels?
http://www.ritlab.jp/shop/product/speaker/pdf/tangband/w4-930sc.pdf
I've worked on my Frugel-Horns quite a bit, for my FE127s, but those wedges were not so easy to cut. Here are SOME of the scraps from cutting and trying to cut the 18.25" wedge.
Dave, what diameter should the suprabaffle be?
Thanks,
Josh
Dave, what diameter should the suprabaffle be?
Thanks,
Josh
An externally hosted image should be here but it was not working when we last tested it.
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