That is what I did. I tried with the windows integrated tool as well as winZIP. None would do it. They state that the file is invalid or empty. I will wait for others to comment to see if it is an issue with me or the file.
Ok, found the issue some members are having in opening the zip file in Windows PC's. The App incorporated within Windows is not fully universal and only compatible with WinZip formats only.
If one chooses to use a truly universal archiver like 7Z, which was used, no problems opening any archived format .
Latest upload is compatible with Win OS. 🙂
If one chooses to use a truly universal archiver like 7Z, which was used, no problems opening any archived format .
Latest upload is compatible with Win OS. 🙂
The first file worked fine with 7zip on windows.
So you used 18mm ply instead of 25mm mdf. Is 18mm sufficient? And shouldn’t the brace be more towards the middle?
So you used 18mm ply instead of 25mm mdf. Is 18mm sufficient? And shouldn’t the brace be more towards the middle?
All good, and thank you for all your feedback, now that everyone can view the design.
Re. Main Brace, you are correct it is out of alignment by 18mm, my bad. Please be considerate of Joe's internal front layout as only the enclosure material has changed and the rear setback is shorter, everything else stays the same.
As for the Ply verses MDF the two are comparable in respect to stiffness and density, but Ply is lighter and easier to work with if one makes sure to avoid splinting during cuts. Besides one has a veneered side that helps in the finishing off.
Overall, less hassles all around. But as I mentioned in my previous post it does cost about 4 times more than MDF, so these are choices one has to make.
Re. Main Brace, you are correct it is out of alignment by 18mm, my bad. Please be considerate of Joe's internal front layout as only the enclosure material has changed and the rear setback is shorter, everything else stays the same.
As for the Ply verses MDF the two are comparable in respect to stiffness and density, but Ply is lighter and easier to work with if one makes sure to avoid splinting during cuts. Besides one has a veneered side that helps in the finishing off.
Overall, less hassles all around. But as I mentioned in my previous post it does cost about 4 times more than MDF, so these are choices one has to make.
Attachments
Can't open unzipped .skp file on my MAC
Folks,
It might just be me or my MAC -- I can unzip the file but I do not have a program that can read a .skp file.
Another question -- I had planned to use 3/4" maple-faced plywood laminated with 1/4" plywood to make up the 25mm (1") dimension cited by Joe. I just assumed that the 1" dimension was not just to maintain the volume in the box, but to maintain the stiffness and dampening. I figure that the cost of the extra 1/4" sheet and labor to glue up the final dimension was a necessary part of the process here in the USA?
It is great to have another potential option!! I hope I can solve my "Can't open the file" problem.
HappyJack
Folks,
It might just be me or my MAC -- I can unzip the file but I do not have a program that can read a .skp file.
Another question -- I had planned to use 3/4" maple-faced plywood laminated with 1/4" plywood to make up the 25mm (1") dimension cited by Joe. I just assumed that the 1" dimension was not just to maintain the volume in the box, but to maintain the stiffness and dampening. I figure that the cost of the extra 1/4" sheet and labor to glue up the final dimension was a necessary part of the process here in the USA?
It is great to have another potential option!! I hope I can solve my "Can't open the file" problem.
HappyJack
🙂HappyJack,
Just download SketchUp Pro for MAC which has a 30day trial period or create and account with SketchUp Free Personal to use the online version..Note, skp file can only be opened by SketchUp.
You may need some lessons on how to use the program....about a day should do...🙂
Just download SketchUp Pro for MAC which has a 30day trial period or create and account with SketchUp Free Personal to use the online version..Note, skp file can only be opened by SketchUp.
You may need some lessons on how to use the program....about a day should do...🙂
A brace out of alignment could be a good thing. I have read and built designs where the braces were purposefully misaligned. That causes the unbraced surfaces to vibrate at different frequencies as opposed to them both vibrating at the or close to the same frequency.
I just downloaded the feee sketchup viewer for MAC and have been "driving around" your model. Impressive!! I can view the rendering but so far have not been able to find a way to see dimensions or find a way to see the individual panels. Do I need to download the trial of sketchup pro for MAC to see those individual parts and dimensions? OR just more training?
Thanks again,
HappyJack
Thanks again,
HappyJack
Mikerodrig27: You may be correct in assuming that bracing can affect panel vibrations, I would prefer to let others in the community discuss the pros and cons of doing so. However, the scope of the post was a desire for an alternative to Joe's enclosure construction by using 18mm ply and maybe a less time to build.
Taking into consideration all that has been discussed in this forum and with Joe's input so far, this design pretty much conforms to Joe's specifications.
As we say downunder, when you're on a good thing, stick to it.
Taking into consideration all that has been discussed in this forum and with Joe's input so far, this design pretty much conforms to Joe's specifications.
As we say downunder, when you're on a good thing, stick to it.
Happyjack: Not sure about the Free View version. I am using the 30day Pro trial version for 3D modelling but I use AutoCAD for 2D stuff. The file components can be moved about to view the internals and then use the tape measure tool to obtain the dimensions.....I guess a bit of book-work😉 may be required.
I agree. Joe has dissected every aspect of this design to the best of his ability. I know he has spent many hours thinking about racing. Just an interesting thing that I have read in the past. Looking at the SketchUp after using WinRAR, that brace looks to be pretty far offset. The designs that I have seen in the past had the brace closer to center. Usually only about 10 or 15% offset if that makes sense
Actually, I was just playing around inside some Martin Logan requests today and saw that they had their bracing on a diagonal. Very impressed with those speakers by the way for a mass-produced speaker. A lot of little details are done nicely on them
Actually, I was just playing around inside some Martin Logan requests today and saw that they had their bracing on a diagonal. Very impressed with those speakers by the way for a mass-produced speaker. A lot of little details are done nicely on them
Mikerodrig27: You are quite correct, bracing does make a difference in relation to box resonances that affect the overall sonic of a loudspeaker. There are many books that discuss this issue, however the main take about bracing I believe is that if a design has been thoroughly researched and components selected that will do the task, then it comes down to measurements to fine tune the enclosure.
As per my previous post #4166, about the Main Brace, it is out of alignment by 18mm from the Sub-Front Panel, it should be 170mm and not 188mm, as per Joe's design. Please keep that in mind and all should be good. Once again my bad, I will post the amended file soon.
As per my previous post #4166, about the Main Brace, it is out of alignment by 18mm from the Sub-Front Panel, it should be 170mm and not 188mm, as per Joe's design. Please keep that in mind and all should be good. Once again my bad, I will post the amended file soon.
For the community, the attached zip file is the updated file that supersedes all previous posts on the subject of 18mm ply Elsinore. Please disregard past post in order to minimize confusion going forward.....Thanks🙂
Any vertical and horizonal polar plots for the Elsinore, like these ones from Zaph?
In particular I'm interested in the vertical polars.
In particular I'm interested in the vertical polars.
My guess is that the Elsinore's verticals won't look good - like most loudspeakers. Instead intended for a specific vertical window that's likely quite narrow though obviously still very usable.
Been incognito lately, so here is a quick catch up.
Port typo re Port OD (outer diameter) corrected in Post #4060.
You may need to flush your cache to see the change.
You will need to make it a bit longer and it is not too critical so that 100m would still be OK, but if you increase it to 105-110mm that would be OK too. But I don't want to make the port much longer than that for other reasons, like leaving the inside part of the port enough space to 'breathe' and short is better for that.
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No advantage, stick with what you have if sizes is not a disadvantage.
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It's is a typo, now correcting it. That is why I wanted to post these so that I could edit and you can go back to Post #4060 and now see it corrected.
You may need to flush your cache to see the change. I did.
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Post recent white EL-6 pic:
Port typo re Port OD (outer diameter) corrected in Post #4060.
You may need to flush your cache to see the change.
You will need to make it a bit longer and it is not too critical so that 100m would still be OK, but if you increase it to 105-110mm that would be OK too. But I don't want to make the port much longer than that for other reasons, like leaving the inside part of the port enough space to 'breathe' and short is better for that.
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No advantage, stick with what you have if sizes is not a disadvantage.
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It's is a typo, now correcting it. That is why I wanted to post these so that I could edit and you can go back to Post #4060 and now see it corrected.
You may need to flush your cache to see the change. I did.
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Post recent white EL-6 pic:
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