Hans L said:
Hi, Handie, I have no intention to be your friends, thus the spelling.
Please let me know if you have a problem with that, Handie.
roibm said:
😀 This is a new one! You're not anti-American -- you like the American people, it's just our building materials you don't like, right?
Anyway, you've got our number. When the Big Bad Wolf comes, we'll be knocking at your concrete doors...
Hans,
Why did the Netherlands not supply submarines to Taiwan?
Because they were afraid to **** of the Chinese, because of
money, money and more money!
The Chinese government is one of the most repressive regimes on Earth who annexed Tibet and killed 2 million tibetans .
I don't see the dutch people taking to the street protesting what is going on there. No..it's just bad old uncle Sam all the time.
Wanna change the world...start with yourself in other words...with the Dutch government. Here you just learn about Vietnam...but not about Indonesia. You know what the Yankees did in the world...but not that the Dutch were hated wherever they went because the they were so greedy and ruthless.
We are not one iota better or worse than the Yanks. Does not mean that I agree with current or past American foreign policy.
However I am so sick and tired of Europeans who think they are über menschen and all Americans are morons.
DIY_Peter said:
What makes you think we are a majority of agnostic, why don’t we care for anyone else, are the American people so different from you, or your countryman? Please explain if you have some insight on this, I would like to know. Maybe you forget America is made up of every nationality and race in the world, we probably have more of your countrymen living hear then anywhere else. It’s OK for the government to help, but if you lean on any government to dole out funds for these things it will always turn to control, is that Freedom?
DIY_Peter said:
Sounds like you have a problem with blacks, I don’t, why would you single them out? Maybe you didn’t understand what I meant about charity, read again, I never said you shouldn’t be personally charitable, just that any government has and always fail with charity, charity belongs in the private sector just like the GNP.
DIY_Peter said:
Oh but your wrong, it does work and has for many generations, not perfect of coarse because people are not perfect, and never will be, are you holding out for perfection? BTW I know a lot of guys that are actually rich, very rich, and are far from smart, they just had good timing and opportunity, that’s what this country is great for, OPPORTUNITY.
Peter, you assume too much, is it possible that you could know so much as to make these statements, or is this more Internet article garbage, or maybe the garbage is in your mind. You still have not learned to respect others, I wonder why that is.
Bas Horneman said:
Well said Bas, couldn't agree with that statement more. Nice to actually see some who think before they post and reserve their emotions enough to make sense.
#3181 calls for a moderator, as it contains nothing but pure offense.
It shows one more time whats the only pupose for millie to post in this board.
why could´nt we ban a notorios troublemaker like that one, when halo was banned for less??
It shows one more time whats the only pupose for millie to post in this board.
why could´nt we ban a notorios troublemaker like that one, when halo was banned for less??
Me too. About the same goes for americans who think all europeans hate them all.Bas Horneman said:
For a moderator you are paying surprisingly little attention to what I'm writing. Let me rephrase what you apparently think of me:Bas Horneman said:
I do not want to critisize my own country. I do not even know about events that I could critisize my country for, not now and not in the past. I'm completely focused on 'bad uncle Sam'. I think I'm superior to any american.
I find your the way you portray me highly offensive. Nothing could be further from the truth.
The one thing that infuriates me is when I hear one of the resident pro-americans overhere talk about the US like it the best country in the world, while completely disregarding anything that doesn't fit this picture. The US actions have all been for the good of the world, is their message. It's sickening. I don't think any of them have admitted that starting this war was a bad idea. No critisism, no introspection at all. That's precisely what you are accusing me of.
You seem to think your opinion is more balanced, seeing your reference to the period when the Netherlands were still in power in Indonesia. That situation is actually a reasonably good comparison. Indonesia wanted to become independent, this was right after WWII, and the Dutch used military force to suppress the revolt, for which the Dutch were give a lot of critisism worldwide. The UN intervened in the negotiations between the Netherlands and the Indonesions and they became independent in 1949. However, that was half a century ago.
The Iraq invasion and occupation is now. It was started by the US which is why they are in the spotlights. Or do you want me to lessen my critisism for the US because there already is enough mindless critisism? Well, apparently it wasn't enough because the war started anyway. Now we have to figure out how we can get Iraq on its feet and how we can remove the breeding ground for even more extremism(!!!).
You said:
and about the US:
I don't see how your ideas differ from mine. So why are you accusing me of hypocrism as well?
Kingdaddy>Before I wrote this post I reviewed most of the posts after #3090. For some stupid reason I missed this post of yours: Post #3148. I think it makes a lot of sense what you wrote there. That is very likely part of the reason for going to war. I can also understand that many Americans may feel a bit relief after taking out SH and making a fist. But I still don't understand how this war will help in the long run.
I came into the discussion asking about a few number and a few pages later I posted a heated piece of text expressing my utter disagreement with starting the war in Iraq and asking why there was still so much support in the US. Or isn't there?
Now I am portrayed like a mindless US-basher, which I am not.
I'm not sure for how long I want to discuss this any further. Ppl (Americans and Europeans) find eachother opinions hypocritical and things get personal real quickly. Don't know what more to say without writing an entire essay...Hans L said:
Excuse me, Handie, why do they have to admitt something they don't think is true?
You have to accept the reality, Handie, that people will disagree with you, no matter how smart or right you think you are.
Blaming people because they disagree with you will start the trajectory down a path that ends up like Nazi Germany.
till said:
the Nazi thought it was highly offensive to protect the Jews.
and the Church thought science was of no value.
Take note, robbie, that you don't hold the ultimate truth. If you don't like it, robbie, tough luck.
Hans L said:
I think that many Americans believe that buying oil from a democratic nation (hopefully Iraq’s future) is far more prudent and self stabilizing then buying form a monarchy government like Saudi Arabia that only further destabilizes the area and ultimately causes more problems for us, for everybody. When you feed money to country where 99% of the wealth is distributed to the 1% ruling party, you feed a monster that perpetuates hate toward the feeders. I believe our government would much rather buy oil from a free nation that shares the wealth with its citizens so that we have a good working relation with the entire country and not just the super rich ruling party that all the inhabitants hate. The only money that trickles down to the poor in Saudi Arabia is for the funding of extremist hate schools that spawn terrorist and hurt the entire world. I believe we have finally figured this terrible mistake out and badly need a good relation with a free oil rich nation, and Iraq could be it. Also I think that Democracy is contagious, and one democratic nation could tip the balance in the mid east for the better. This is IMO directly related to the war on terror and a part of the road map to peace in the Middle East. If this backfires and causes more problems then truly it will be a terrible price for many, but if not it could be the start of stabilizing the most troubled spot in the world.
I never said anything about the USA being so perfect or great, we have the same flaws as any country, and we make many grave mistakes, but I am proud of this country that has allowed such a good life for me, and will defend it to the end, with my life if necessary. So USA bashers beware, I will not hear my country unfairly maligned and singled out for the worlds problems, we are only 270 million of the over 6 billion in this world, it can’t be all our fault.
🙂
rfbrw said:
That’s not very helpful if you don’t bother to explain which part you have a problem with and offer some logical reason why you believe it to be nonsense. However I suspect that you never intended to debate or have respectful discrepancies to my POV, only to make useless unconstructive antagonistic remarks.
IS it because you have no ability to respectfully debate like an adult?
kingdaddy said:
Given that the picture you paint of European goverments and our expectations of them is so ridiculous as to be impossible to take seriously, I do not see debate how is possible.
rfbrw said:
How do a few posts on my very general fundamental POV of differing government ideologies paint such a vivid truthful painting in your mind?
I only offer my opinions and never even implied that it was fact, my painting is from my point of view, I don’t assume to know the real truth, only an idea based on what I've ingested. All my points are obviously open for debate, why is my POV so offending or irrelevant that you can’t offer any constructive criticism? Am I so below you that my differing opinion somehow is invalid in your estimation of a DEBATE?
A definition of DEBATE by is to consider something.
If you don’t want to share your considerations then why just pop in to make antagonistic remarks, is there a point?
The problem is that your view of the systems of goverment that prevail in Europe is so far from the truth that one might as well seek to discuss the advantages of air travel along Great Circles with one who believes the earth is flat. For a debate to have any chance there has to be a common frame of reference and I do not see how one can debate systems of goverment with one who likens the prevailing from of goverment in Europe to that of the USSR.
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