B.VDBOS said:
Jesus may have said he was the sun of god because he did not have a father, infact Jesus said everyone is the sun of god, goodies and baddies alike
But then I would not want to make Jesus look like an ordinary man taking on Rome now would I
I don't believe that "poof" Jesus was here. The man had a father, probably Joseph. When Mary conceived, they were not married. This was a big NO-NO back then in that culture. "Oooops" it was probably thought by Christian leaders, "How are we going to explain this legitimatly without being shunned in society and without promoting premarital sex?" Hmmmm
Ahh yes....son of God. Can't question that now can you.🙄 
Jesus didn't take on Rome so much as the current Jewish religious leaders in his time. That was who he ended up in trouble with in Jerusalum. Of course riding into town on the back of an *** didn't help him any in that respect; Trying to fulfill the current prophecies at that time. Didn't make him any friends among the Jewish religious leaders, that's for sure. He knew he was to be arrested, and chose not to flee. He chose to be martyred.
till said:
You clearly show no respect for my POV...
Am I wrong in taking this to mean that I personally am a warmonger, liar and murder?
If I misunderstand your meaning, it's not because of my inability to read or rationalize a written statement, it's the very poor way you explaining your self.
Care to re-phrase or better yet total re-write so I don't get the wrong meaning.
Is it even possible to be so superior or high minded that you can easily see all the evil of the rest of the world, and world’s government but not you’re self. I might be taking this wrong but you seem very arrogant and self-righteous to put it mildly
As for Iraq, you need to see the big picture of things unfolding. If it was a moral desision to get rid of Milosevic, then Saddam and the Baathists should have been dealt with long ago. The UN isn't interested in the people of Iraq, just the oil flow and the money trail. Obviously the US isn't the only country just interested in oil and money. Of course then there is Rawanda. Where was the United Nations on this mass genocide?? That organization is worthless. Look at the wonderful UN nation building of Hati for example. Armestead....Boy that really worked out great didn't it. Who suffered for this?? Not the UN. Now that there is genocide in Sudan, where IS the UN?? And don't get me started on the Oil for Food program...I mean scam, that Saddam apearently recieved something to the tune of 24 Billion dollars out of.
No wonder certain countries were against ousting Saddam, they were in on it. What a crock. The UN is loosing all of it's legitimacy quickly. I think the billions of dollars the US gives to the UN should be withheld. Wouldn't that suck for the UN. Well I doubt if there would be much of a UN then. Unfourtunatly, the only country that can really do something about it is the US. The UN could, but it's members feel no responcibility for world attrocities. Their mostly worried if the US will send them a check this year.
No wonder certain countries were against ousting Saddam, they were in on it. What a crock. The UN is loosing all of it's legitimacy quickly. I think the billions of dollars the US gives to the UN should be withheld. Wouldn't that suck for the UN. Well I doubt if there would be much of a UN then. Unfourtunatly, the only country that can really do something about it is the US. The UN could, but it's members feel no responcibility for world attrocities. Their mostly worried if the US will send them a check this year.if you can´t read that, it is your problem.
In case you ask ME to rewrite it, i´ll do so in german.
Thats fine, I wont bother to move down to your level of name calling, I'll just ignore you from now on since you cant show one ounce of respect.
I wonder whether they did it for their God:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/11/22/nz.dolphins.reut/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/11/22/nz.dolphins.reut/index.html
kingdaddy said:
I guess they are also used by your military because of their instict. Nice point, never thought of that.
kingdaddy said:
Don't be too sure about that.
Most researchers who study dolphins become convinced these are creatures of great intelligence, both by their research and the researchers' off-hours experiences with them.
Dr. Lilly, who started research on dolphins in earnest, stopped because he became convinced that he was dealing with a great intelligence with these creatures and that his research was demeaning them.
There have been many cases where dolphins have helped humans in aquatic situations that do not seem explainable by other than the desire to help them.
Keltic:
Instinct may cover more ground then you think, free will is another story. Overriding your natural instinct and doing something that could jeopardize your life for no gain is a human quality that has never been proven in any other species.
Instinct may cover more ground then you think, free will is another story. Overriding your natural instinct and doing something that could jeopardize your life for no gain is a human quality that has never been proven in any other species.
kingdaddy said:
Well, I must admit that I would be willing to help a dolphin that is in trouble, but-and my apologies to any dolphins reading this-I would not lay down my life for him.
Somewhere between complete indifference and the willingness to sacrifice oneself lies a large area where somebody or something will show an ability to recognize a situation, and with no apparent payoff to itself will go through the effort to help a member of that species.
Dolphins are on record as having done this for humans many times. Perhaps they sense in us what we are beginning to sense in them.
For the record, dolphins do attack sharks, and from what I have read, they do it in the following manner. They surround the shark, in a circle, and a dolphin butts the shark from the side. The shark immediately turns to go after it's attacker, and another dolphin butts the shark from the side again.
The shark proceeds to turn and go after the dolphin which butted him the second time, and a third shark comes in from the side and butts the shark yet again.
The shark turns to go after the third shark, and a fourth shark repeats the process, etc. At the end, the shark gets beaten up and dies.
Now, you MIGHT call that instinct, although it sounds a lot more like a tribe surrounding a common enemy as our Neolithic ancestors did. But to extend this behavior on behalf of another species?
I think it is pretty obvious that dolphins HATE sharks, that sometimes sharks do indeed get to pick off a lone dolphin before the group can get to surround him and when they saw this human about to get picked off, they surrounded the shark and let him know he was going to get the butt treatment if he went after the human.
Sympathy and intelligence, for altruistic purposes.
What more do you want from another species in the way of proof?
Remember, there are primitive tribes still extant that have very little material tools or culture, and survive largely by their wits and cooperation in similar situations. They live in the jungle, and barely have shelter in the sense that we know it: no lean-to's no tents, just find a favorite piece of underbrush and sleep there. Yet they live this way generation after generation back to the dawn of time.
The time may come that we recognize that dolphins are not so much packs as tribes with communicating beings, acting not completely on instinct, but often on intelligence.
Anyone who owns a cat has surely experienced altruistic behavior. Mine love to leave little mouse tidbits/corpses on my doorstep. There have been a spate of recent books on the evolutionary theory of altruism- I haven't gotten around to reading any yet because I hate everybody.
I don't think animals are capable of hate, just learned response, however as Sy mentioned, people certainly are capable of hate. This however is the root of my belief that Humans are capable of things (free will) that animals are not, and most on this forum seem to disagree. Strangely enough nearly everyone on this forum seems to be agnostic or atheist even though is has be reported that close to 90% of the known population believes in some sort of God, so I can see why many here think I'm crazy. I guess what I’m trying to say is that many here are actually in the minority concerning spiritual matters, or confusing belief of the unseen with religion. Remember religion technically has nothing to do with God, it’s all about man.
BTW I have 2 cats, and often get tired of scraping dead carcasses off the floor, and I don’t think it has anything to do with them bringing gifts to their so-called masters. In fact I think my cat's think there the masters and I'm the subordinate.
BTW I have 2 cats, and often get tired of scraping dead carcasses off the floor, and I don’t think it has anything to do with them bringing gifts to their so-called masters. In fact I think my cat's think there the masters and I'm the subordinate.
Where do you know this from? Out of 20,000+ members, there's only about 5 or 6 people here I know well enough to know what their religious beliefs are.
SY said:
From reading the replies on this forum, many have stated as much. I think in this thread alone there is a few. Anytime I get anywhere near the ideas of morals, scruples or common respect in conversing with others it's plainly obvious to me that most are atheist or agnostic or just rude, especially the European posters. Not that I’m complaining, I personally don’t care how or what others beliefs are but I was surprised to be so quickly reproached for my beliefs
What I’m mostly surprised about is the hostility many here seem to harbor concerning anything to do with God, seems many are offended that it is even brought up in any political discussion.
Again I'm not thin skinned, I can take any amount of disagreement, but many stoop to categorically calling an entire group or nation evil murders and such and so far in every case these people seem to be atheist when I dig further, again just an opinion based on my experiences. Just try mentioning anything concerning God in one of these heated political topics and you will see what I mean.
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