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kingdaddy said:
Nothing you have said has anything to do with the Christianity I was taught. I think the real rift between the European and American ideals of religion is Catholicism.
Yes, I understand what you mean to say. All crusaders think their religion is better. Better is also relative 😉



kingdaddy said:
Do animals live socially and sucessfully?
Does an animal have morality?
Think about that..
Yes/No
Can you prove either yes or no? Can anyone else?
Uhhh, without a clear answer to the two above, what shall I be thinking about?
 
Do animals live socially and sucessfully?

indeed, they don´t kill for amoralic reasons like your army does in iraq.


Much of Americas form of Christianity is not based on the twisted Catholic POV like the Europeans,

Here around at my place most people are evangelisch lutherisch, not catholics.


The idea that people are born moral or have any morals without some perfect reference is ludicrous and illogical; people do not naturally follow moral values.

at least people like your goverment and army, who invade other countries and are proud of the kill rate...


The idea that there is any morality without a God is wrong,

proof?

Some kind of God[...]

proof for existence of your god?


he, you should became mature slowly. Men have to handle reality without any ghosts, gods, or any hocuspocus else - without killing each other.



What i see is religios fanatics on both sides - killing each other.

Americans, Islamists, Jews , Palestinians, Kapitalists, Kommunists. All the same ********. All killing for childish belives. And some in addition for profit.
 
All this fighting over religion is stupid. God gave us a plan(if you believe that) and some rules to live by and we have been fighting over it ever since. What if no religion is right? What if religion is just man's easy way of explaining things he doesn't understand and a way to cope with the enevidable fact...everyone MUST check out someday. :idea: Maybe this is why there are so many religions throughout the world. If when you die nothing happens, you're just gone, wouldn't the religious zelots of the world feel like heels! Of course they couldn't feel like heels because they would just be dead. Supposedly, If people have self-conscience then they have souls, so what god do the souls of apes and other animals report to? They too have self-conscience... and some have inteligence.
 
That’s quite an assumption you guys are making here. I never said anything about my religion, only insinuated that there is (IMO) something fundamentally wrong with Catholicism, nothing else. I personally don’t believe 100% in any organized religion, but I do believe in one God and believe Jesus was his son incarnate. Dont bother to hurt your brain too much putting words in my mouth, I don’t think I’m any better or smarter then anyone else. However, like it or not, religious views rule the world and our laws rather you believe in them or not.



Can you prove either yes or no? Can anyone else?

I thought the answer was obvious and logical, oh well never mind, it was supposed to shed some more light on my ideas of morality in humans.
 
kingdaddy said:
I thought the answer was obvious and logical, oh well never mind, it was supposed to shed some more light on my ideas of morality in humans.
Yes, sure. The same way many people think other animals(like fish) can't feel pain. Enjoy you own reality where only people do this and that or can feel this and that.
 
I truly feel sorry for the agnostic and atheist minded, what reason is there to even live. Most would agree that life is more pain then pleasure, so why even bother, you have to die sometime.

Thanks for that great insight, i will go and kill myself now.




I don´t think life is more pain than pleasure - but those goverments, kapitalists and neocons want it to be that, - for us.

I find enought to live for, and don´t need any crutch like heaven or god for that. I suspect, if your life is really that bad - nothing to life for, except your gods diktat not to kill yourself, and some hope for a better life in heaven - something went wrong. And if you don´t act and change it - you are not a man but a poor gutless cockroache.
 
roibm said:

Yes, sure. The same way many people think other animals(like fish) can't feel pain. Enjoy you own reality where only people do this and that or can feel this and that.


Have you gone mad, are you completely out of your mind, do you just make up some derogatory meaning all on your own? How did you get this meaning from what I wrote. Are you not capable of respectfully discussing a topic without distorting someone’s comments to always mean something negative and thoughtless or stupid?

Here is a good exorcise for ya, try actually reading a post without setting your mind on it being from a evil agenda driven American, man you are eat up with hate or severe confusion. I hope all you European’s don’t think like this, or the whole world is in for some trouble real soon.
 
kingdaddy said:
Have you gone mad, are you completely out of your mind, do you just make up some derogatory meaning all on your own? How did you get this meaning from what I wrote. Are you not capable of respectfully discussing a topic without distorting someone’s comments to always mean something negative and thoughtless or stupid?

Here is a good exorcise for ya, try actually reading a post without setting your mind on it being from a evil agenda driven American, man you are eat up with hate or severe confusion. I hope all you European’s don’t think like this, or the whole world is in for some trouble real soon.
Breath... breath again, deeper now... repeat twenty times. Calm down. I hope you feel better now.

Now, read what I wrote again, and read what you wrote as well.
See, there is this "answer was obvious and logical" from you.
Then notice my "many people think".
Then let me ask you this: why would someone react like you did(see the quoted text above)?

And let me tell you this, that answer is neither obvious nor logical.
 
kingdaddy said:
I do believe in one God and believe Jesus was his son incarnate.


Jesus may have said he was the sun of god because he did not have a father, infact Jesus said everyone is the sun of god, goodies and baddies alike

But then I would not want to make Jesus look like an ordinary man taking on Rome now would I

:whazzat:
 
roibm said:

Enjoy you own reality where only people do this and that or can feel this and that.

When you end it with a sentence like this I don't know another way to take it, are you not being condescending? Did you not intend me to believe you think I’m one of the “many people”, if not I guess I forgot how to read properly, sure reads that way to me.
 
kingdaddy said:
When you end it with a sentence like this I don't know another way to take it, are you not being condescending? Did you not intend me to believe you think I’m one of the “many people”, if not I guess I forgot how to read properly, sure reads that way to me.
Well, I did not name what can be done/felt and by whom. It was a general approach, and altho you did not say it, I feel better since I believe you're not in that group. I might be wrong, but hope not.
 
Most people I know in America believe that the Catholics are a cult not a true belief in the ways of Jesus, so don’t judge the entire world on you’re minority of twisted fanatics, it's not like that here.

Well, I live in the United States of America and NO ONE I know would state such judgement of Catholisism. Catholics are "twisted fanatics" ? Basically not a "true" belief? Wow you should meet some new friends. Travel around a bit.
Even though I am not a believer , I would never judge your beliefs so harshly.

I'm not Catholic. I don't know what the facts are now, but last I heard Catholisism was the largest group of christians in the world. So this minority of "twisted fanatics" is actually the majority IMHO

Of course "Americans" includes all of North and South America and that would include quite a few Catholics....

It also amazes when the claim is made that without god man would be immoral. It seems to be with or without god man can behave immorally or morally. There are thousands of examples of each. So, when you look into your heart, you see a person that would behave immorally to his fellow man unless you had religion "forcing" you to behave? seems almost like self hatred.
 
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