There is a limit to the voltage, so adding more outputs will only give more power into a lower impedance.
At some point the driver transistors will not be up to the task. At that point I would probably go to a triple (pre-driver, driver, outputs). I found six pair of outputs into a low impedance gave a circular 'bite' out of a sine-wave in the second and fourth quadrant (classic sign of not enough drive current). Crown uses the triple in most of their amplifiers.
At some point the driver transistors will not be up to the task. At that point I would probably go to a triple (pre-driver, driver, outputs). I found six pair of outputs into a low impedance gave a circular 'bite' out of a sine-wave in the second and fourth quadrant (classic sign of not enough drive current). Crown uses the triple in most of their amplifiers.
Ok...i think the output power it depend to the,input voltage? Then if you,add,more transistor i think to prevent over heating? Because the output transistor is in parallel,connection so that the power input divided, on how many output transistor have? Am I right?
"Ok...i think the output power it depend to the,input voltage?"
The ± supply voltage.
"Then if you,add,more transistor i think to prevent over heating? Because the output transistor is in parallel,connection so that the power input divided, on how many output transistor have? Am I right? "
Basically, yes.
With good heat sinks you will be able to get roughly 100W per pair of outputs. A Crown DC300A doesn't have real big sinks, so they use four pair of outputs to do 300W/4Ω. They later offered a heat sink up-grade, or you could add fans.
See here for up to 10,000W with the 2N3773.
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid-state/211635-simple-100w-power-amp-3.html
The ± supply voltage.
"Then if you,add,more transistor i think to prevent over heating? Because the output transistor is in parallel,connection so that the power input divided, on how many output transistor have? Am I right? "
Basically, yes.
With good heat sinks you will be able to get roughly 100W per pair of outputs. A Crown DC300A doesn't have real big sinks, so they use four pair of outputs to do 300W/4Ω. They later offered a heat sink up-grade, or you could add fans.
See here for up to 10,000W with the 2N3773.
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid-state/211635-simple-100w-power-amp-3.html
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So what is the maximum rms watts for this amp? You say that 1 pair you get 100 watts? 5'pair you get 500 watts? When i add the transistor 10 pair i get 1000 watts?
"So what is the maximum rms watts for this amp? You say that 1 pair you get 100 watts? 5'pair you get 500 watts? When i add the transistor 10 pair i get 1000 watts? "
Sure, but into a lower impedance.
Read the whole thread here:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid-state/211635-simple-100w-power-amp.html
And remember, you will have to make the output a triple if driving lower impedance.
Sure, but into a lower impedance.
Read the whole thread here:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid-state/211635-simple-100w-power-amp.html
And remember, you will have to make the output a triple if driving lower impedance.
A single pair for 100W of maximum output power is a bit ambitious, especially if the devices chosen have poor SOAR.
I prefer to use device power rating as a guide to maximum output power.
Pmax ~ {total device power rating} divided by 5 to 6 for BJTs. I use divide by 4 for FETs
A two pair 1943/5200 has a total device rating of 600W. That would indicate a safe and reliable 100W to 120W of maximum power output.
For an 8ohms amplifier that would require a +-50Vdc to +-54Vdc PSU.
For a 4ohms amplifier that would require a +-38Vdc to +-42Vdc PSU.
For a 2ohms amplifier that would require so much output current, that I would not bother entertaining such a nonsensical target.
I prefer to use device power rating as a guide to maximum output power.
Pmax ~ {total device power rating} divided by 5 to 6 for BJTs. I use divide by 4 for FETs
A two pair 1943/5200 has a total device rating of 600W. That would indicate a safe and reliable 100W to 120W of maximum power output.
For an 8ohms amplifier that would require a +-50Vdc to +-54Vdc PSU.
For a 4ohms amplifier that would require a +-38Vdc to +-42Vdc PSU.
For a 2ohms amplifier that would require so much output current, that I would not bother entertaining such a nonsensical target.
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"A single pair for 100W of maximum output power is a bit ambitious, especially if the devices chosen have poor SOAR."
This thread is mainly about the 2N3773, which has 150W SOA at 100V.
http://www.onsemi.com/pub_link/Collateral/2N3773-D.PDF
A MJ15024 only has 100W SOA at 100V.
http://www.onsemi.com/pub_link/Collateral/MJ15022-D.PDF
One pair of 2N3773, 140W/4Ω:
http://www.crownaudio.com/pdf/legacy/D150-spec-sheet.pdf
This thread is mainly about the 2N3773, which has 150W SOA at 100V.
http://www.onsemi.com/pub_link/Collateral/2N3773-D.PDF
A MJ15024 only has 100W SOA at 100V.
http://www.onsemi.com/pub_link/Collateral/MJ15022-D.PDF
One pair of 2N3773, 140W/4Ω:
http://www.crownaudio.com/pdf/legacy/D150-spec-sheet.pdf
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Apex 550 pls give me all the list of component or only where the mylar and ceramic capacitors.. Thank
Components are already specified in the top view and schematics posted at page 1.
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid-state/167394-quasi-amplifier-beginners.html
As for capacitors, use 50V for input stages and 250V or above for VAS, driver and output stage (100nf and 470pf).
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid-state/167394-quasi-amplifier-beginners.html
As for capacitors, use 50V for input stages and 250V or above for VAS, driver and output stage (100nf and 470pf).
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Thanks. My concern about the capacitor where the ceramic or mylar? And only 65+- volts dc maximum? When i put 80+- it is ok and add more output transistor?
"When i put 80+- it is ok and add more output transistor? "
Only if you can hand-select the outputs to be sure of a higher voltage than what the part is rated for. For instance, Crown hand-selects all the 160 outputs used in the MA10K to run at 163V (rail-to-rail), plus a safety margin for high line-voltage.
Only if you can hand-select the outputs to be sure of a higher voltage than what the part is rated for. For instance, Crown hand-selects all the 160 outputs used in the MA10K to run at 163V (rail-to-rail), plus a safety margin for high line-voltage.
mylar and ceramic....
capacitor that have values expressed in uf are mylar and pf is for ceramic.
regards,
drowranger
Helllp...which mylar capacitor or ceramic capacitor..thanks..
capacitor that have values expressed in uf are mylar and pf is for ceramic.
regards,
drowranger
stick on the circuit...
darlington and paralleled ouput are not the same configuration.
regards,
drowranger
Can used darlinton instead of 2sa1943 and 2sc5200? To prevent the heat sink long? Thanks
darlington and paralleled ouput are not the same configuration.
regards,
drowranger
Ok....thanks...
Drowrenger..do you make this amp? How much supply for maximum +- dc.
And the watts how much? This circuit produce 500 watts rms?
Drowrenger..do you make this amp? How much supply for maximum +- dc.
And the watts how much? This circuit produce 500 watts rms?
not yet....
better wait for apex reply about the supply and how much wattage it can produce..
regards,
joel
Ok....thanks...
Drowrenger..do you make this amp? How much supply for maximum +- dc.
And the watts how much? This circuit produce 500 watts rms?
better wait for apex reply about the supply and how much wattage it can produce..
regards,
joel
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