Babowana said:
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And, had another measurement -- clipping point. The symmetric clipping was starting from the point of about 34V pk-pk output ^^.
I bet that's loud enough for your spks
Zen Mod said:I bet that's loud enough for your spks
Yeah . . . loud enough.
In general, I kick the aass high up during weekend.
But, never at the top.
I want to respect my Japanese neighbours ^^~
~oo~
At amp's work with 25V pk-pk output to the 8 ohm load, I
measured differential ac voltage swing at R3 and R4. Actually, R3
and R4 are trimming pots. But, I roughly calculated adjusted and
fixed values as R3 of about 260 ohms and R4 of about 380 ohms.
Measurement results are 520mV pk-pk at R3 and 2000mV pk-pk
at R4. This means that R3 has less ac voltage swing than R4. If I
calculate these voltages to swinging current, R3 has 2mA pk-pk
hile R4 has 5.3mA pk-pk.
Interesting!
Due to these unbalanced ac current swings between R3 and R4,
the complementary power fets also amplify different ac currents.
As a result, the upper p-ch fet works like an Aleph CCS -- i.e. as
an active current source! And, the lower n-ch fet works like a
single ended amplifier.
Really, an intersting finding. I hope I am correctly understanding
the reason why it works like this babo ^^. But, a good sounding
babo ^^.
At amp's work with 25V pk-pk output to the 8 ohm load, I
measured differential ac voltage swing at R3 and R4. Actually, R3
and R4 are trimming pots. But, I roughly calculated adjusted and
fixed values as R3 of about 260 ohms and R4 of about 380 ohms.
Measurement results are 520mV pk-pk at R3 and 2000mV pk-pk
at R4. This means that R3 has less ac voltage swing than R4. If I
calculate these voltages to swinging current, R3 has 2mA pk-pk
hile R4 has 5.3mA pk-pk.
Interesting!
Due to these unbalanced ac current swings between R3 and R4,
the complementary power fets also amplify different ac currents.
As a result, the upper p-ch fet works like an Aleph CCS -- i.e. as
an active current source! And, the lower n-ch fet works like a
single ended amplifier.
Really, an intersting finding. I hope I am correctly understanding
the reason why it works like this babo ^^. But, a good sounding
babo ^^.
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Not sure if you posted this somewhere, but I could not find it--what is the dc voltage on the gates of the jfets?
Also--what are voltages at sources of jfets?
I have been looking at your postings trying figure out exactly how that circuit works.
Also--I am looking at BOSOZ with jfets (2n4416) operating above IDSS to see how what happens.
JJ
Not sure if you posted this somewhere, but I could not find it--what is the dc voltage on the gates of the jfets?
Also--what are voltages at sources of jfets?
I have been looking at your postings trying figure out exactly how that circuit works.
Also--I am looking at BOSOZ with jfets (2n4416) operating above IDSS to see how what happens.
JJ
jupiterjune said:Not sure if you posted this somewhere, but I could not find it--what is the dc voltage on the gates of the jfets?
Also--what are voltages at sources of jfets?
Zero volt at the gates. And, see post #217.
OK-
It just looked suspicious that the J310 had lower gain than the 2SJ108GR.
I thought the 2SJ108GR might be reverse biased, but I guess not.
I could not find a spec sheet for the 2sj108GR--what is the Gfs listed for it?
I found spec sheets for the j310 -- it listed Gfs as 8 minimum.
JJ
It just looked suspicious that the J310 had lower gain than the 2SJ108GR.
I thought the 2SJ108GR might be reverse biased, but I guess not.
I could not find a spec sheet for the 2sj108GR--what is the Gfs listed for it?
I found spec sheets for the j310 -- it listed Gfs as 8 minimum.
JJ
oops--
I meant to say "I thought the gate of the 2sj108GR might be forward biased..."
I thought the 2SJ108GR might be reverse biased, but I guess not
I meant to say "I thought the gate of the 2sj108GR might be forward biased..."
jupiterjune said:I could not find a spec sheet for the 2sj108GR--what is the Gfs listed for it?
I found spec sheets for the j310 -- it listed Gfs as 8 minimum.
There is no separate datasheet for 2SJ108GR.
The datasheet of 2SJ108 covers all.
2SJ108GR has Yfs (Gfs) as 8 min and 22 typical.
Babowana said:Here is another measurement from R-ch block.
The current swing at R9 is 0.6A pk-pk
while the swing at R11 is 2.82A pk-pk.
So, my Babo Zen is working similar as SE.
Steen, are you ready to drop ya jaw down to ya foot?
you made Aleph
This will be my last post about the characters of the amp.
I find damping factor about 12 with 8 ohm load.
Output impedance is about 0.7 ohms.
Through this project, it seems that I have learned many things.
I am really pleased not only with the excellent sound, but also
for the good lesson about JFETs. Now, I have quite reasonable
self-confidence for the future application of them ^^.
Thanks, to all guys who have kept interests in the progress of
this project. And, special thank you, Papa . . . ^^.
I find damping factor about 12 with 8 ohm load.
Output impedance is about 0.7 ohms.
Through this project, it seems that I have learned many things.
I am really pleased not only with the excellent sound, but also
for the good lesson about JFETs. Now, I have quite reasonable
self-confidence for the future application of them ^^.
Thanks, to all guys who have kept interests in the progress of
this project. And, special thank you, Papa . . . ^^.
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~oo~
Before I leave this thread alone, few more things . . .
I replaced the two breadboards pictured in post #189 with my own PCB. My own PCB? Yes, my first try after my birth to this beutiful world. Last time, when I was measuring the oscilloscope responses, once I mishandled the probes and saw some of smoke from one of these beadboards. After the probes having been removed, I found that the amp was still working normal. But, I felt as if I were keeping the aching tooth. This was why I wanted to replace them with new boards and new components--but this time with diy PCB.
I cut the copper-clad board to the sizes, using the snap-off blade knife. On the copper side, I made the drawing of black wires with oil pen. Art work? No, not really. This was just a baby who stood up for the fist time. ^^
Before I leave this thread alone, few more things . . .
I replaced the two breadboards pictured in post #189 with my own PCB. My own PCB? Yes, my first try after my birth to this beutiful world. Last time, when I was measuring the oscilloscope responses, once I mishandled the probes and saw some of smoke from one of these beadboards. After the probes having been removed, I found that the amp was still working normal. But, I felt as if I were keeping the aching tooth. This was why I wanted to replace them with new boards and new components--but this time with diy PCB.
I cut the copper-clad board to the sizes, using the snap-off blade knife. On the copper side, I made the drawing of black wires with oil pen. Art work? No, not really. This was just a baby who stood up for the fist time. ^^
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And, I put the boards into a plastic bowl with some of white cristals of Ammonium Persulfate, then added warm water of about 6-fold amount of Ammonium Persulfate. About fifteen mins. later, I put the boards out of the bowl and washed off them clean. It seemed that I kept the boards in the bowl too long. I found that the left copper layer was looking thinner than I expected.
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Hmm . . . the copper layer looked really thin so that I applied solders on it all the way before I made the 1mm through-holes. Then, I inserted components through the holes and soldered them all. Done! It was so easy. It took less than three hours for all.
By the way, This time, I picked up two "smaller" 2SJ108GRs having Idss of merely 5.45mA. Sure of 5.45mA? Sure. Nevetheless, the amp returned back to the same work as previous. No joke! WoaHahahahahaha . . . ^^
By the way, This time, I picked up two "smaller" 2SJ108GRs having Idss of merely 5.45mA. Sure of 5.45mA? Sure. Nevetheless, the amp returned back to the same work as previous. No joke! WoaHahahahahaha . . . ^^
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john65b said:This thread has been quiet for some time, but would it be possible to sub a 2SJ74 (N ch) for the J310 and a 2SK170 (P ch) for the 2SJ108 in this circuit??
Sure. Actually, the combo of 2SJ74/2SK170 is the better answer.
My latest V5 has 2SJ74 and 2SK170.
I had to use J310/2SJ108 as I could not get 2SJ74/2SK170 that time
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