Notre Dame cathedral

Very interesting inputs on the acoustic studies...


Lubman'words retranscript by the journalist are imho a shortcut and a bad understanding of what those makers were on the precise concept of "engineer". No they weren't the first engineers, this shortcut, what we often read that, is referring to that is very wrong and comes from an american atavism thinking making device is the alpha and omega of all things and the knowledge: it's mostly an understanding of the knowledge disciplin of history. I surmise most of the people concerned during interviews know that and makes the shortcut because it's more bancable to read and involve better the todays feeling... but alas it's false from a knowledge perspective.

The right decription imho is : "they were issue of a long tradition of architects and craftmen, as construction of building structures since antic times way before european Middle-Age."


Engineering refers to engine and a too much often shortcut word involving the rapid increase of science and discoverings from the XIX° that raised during the industrial revolution but coming from a construction of knowledge and increase of methods that bring us to science concepts that the word engineer is poor to describes and not acurate for. No the knowledge has not begun with "engineering". From an historical standpoint we should read : they were the legacy of philosophs and craftmen that always were involved by knowledge aginst superstition" instead "they were the first engineers". They were simply architects and craftmen that learned all the lessons from Pythagore to the architectural discoverings coming from Middle-Orient and bringed back some during crusades that merged towards gothic experiences à la Jimi Hendrix.



Why it's important ? It's make not start the knowledge from a scientist point of view from making devices in plants and what that was before as the prehistoric times of knowledge if like devices and plants were the pinacle of knowledge. Science and knowledge are way above the word of "engineering".


And it changes all, no those buildings are not open experiment structures where the "engineers" should show their modern skill. They are a legacy of the knowledge of that time and refurbishings should respect that as done as Violet le Duc did with the arrow that had gothic codes ("engineering" i.e. "how to/savoire faire" was hided behind the identity of the building. Would you like to add a gothic tower and bell to the Centre Pompidou ??? Certainly not! Not more than an orange trees garden on the roof for a Versailles touch merging it in a "Centre Pompadour". I'm glad the french president has given up his delirious point of view about architectural cmpetition for the tower!



FWITW,IMHO & YMMV of course.
 
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UNESCO+JM Jarre.

Great virtual Concert à Notre-Dame for the New Year Day



WELCOME TO THE OTHER SIDE [Trailer] – join Jean-Michel Jarre on NYE in Virtual Reality NOTRE DAME - YouTube


In partnership with @Ville de Paris, and under the patronage of @UNESCO, Electronic Music pioneer @jeanmicheljarre teams up with French VR start-up VRrOOm to take us into the New Year with a live-stream trailblazing concert-spectacular set in the virtual environment of the planetary landmark, Notre-Dame de Paris. Join & share the party on December 31st, 2020 at 23:25 (CET) & Paris-time: https://youtu.be/VKjFjFtKBRI


There is certainly a X-Mas mess with singers today at 24h00 GMT +1 (Paris, London, etc)



Merry X-Mas
 
Richard, we may possibly share some sentiment on the issue you describe, but it think it’d be hard to not appreciate the physical beauty of the structure itself; those soaring arches and stained glass windows, or the emotional power of the music performances- I think the designed purpose of such edifices since the earliest days of architecture?

Oddharmonics, IINM motion blindness, akinetopsia = motion blindness - how so, exactly?
 
One had to visit N-D to know. I' not a religious person myself, but what the "hell" of a beautifull object, inside, outside and in its surounding area!


For sure it didn't become an edifice of the heritage of mankind protected for nothing. People who visit all those places all around the world know it : you don't really know before having visited it for real.


Now it's a question of taste, when I visited the Bombonera in BuenoAires... I felt nothing particular, however I believe it's a UNESCO protected building too !


Each one like his own cathedral genre... pyramid, stadium, even nature : Iguazu falls 🙂... or the beautifull never copied BuenoAires cimetery (sorry don't remember the name but it has not to be miss 😎). Certainly the top two sites of Argentina.
 
IINM motion blindness, akinetopsia = motion blindness - how so, exactly?

You mean the hazmat suits? It's because the whole structure is contaminated with lead from the burned out roof.
That's not hazmat suit but more of construction worker's one piece suit. You can see the difference in Google image search. If it was contaminated enough to require hazmat suit, they won't be in there breathing the air and singing.

What I mean is, they could've worn suits / dress and wear hardhat for better visual presentation. It just looked so ugly for the space they are in and the performance they are engaged in. I looked away and just listened to the sound only, and that's what I kind of meant, chrisb. :bfold:
 
What I mean is, they could've worn suits / dress and wear hardhat for better visual presentation. It just looked so ugly for the space they are in and the performance they are engaged in.

They're just fancy coveralls. You'd get pretty cold standing around in that unheated space pretty quickly, so I'm guessing someone decided it would be a good idea to wear them and stay warm. It is winter in France after all.😉

jeff
 
I assume that 'verklempt' means something different in Canadian than 'verklemmt' means in German.

In German it is a personality trait meaning 'uptight' (particularly sexually), the opposite of an open, outgoing person.

Charles, it’s a Yiddish word meaning overcome with emotion, that for some unknown reason has stuck with me for decades - I think I first heard it from Barbra Streisand in “Yentl”? - and relish the occasion to use it in what I think is correct context.
I’m just a simple island boy with a barely adequate grasp of Canadian English, but every once and a while find a foreign language term or expression that tickles my fancy.

And as Jeff noted, while I didn’t notice any fogging breath in the short excerpts of the video I watched, I’d imagine it would have been chilly in ND, but the overalls and hard hats could have been symbolic as much as anything.

Oddharmonics, when I see a word that is totally unknown to me, I tend to Google the term, which is where I found the quoted meaning that didn’t quite seem to fit the context of your post, but I get your point.
 
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