> perhaps Brazilian walnut would be a better choice (ipe). more fire resistant than oak, resistant to insects, naturally fire resistant.
> Please keep the trees in his own land sacred amazonian forest. We can do it with French steel and keep original architectural shape
> Have you also sent that message to Notre Dame restoration management team?
> You thinks they receive email messages from French cityzens ?
It is far too late for such fresh thinking. The French Oaks are on the ground. If the steel company is disappointed, they can cry for a sprinkler-pipe contract. The cityzens? We have a saying: "Everybody talks about the weather but nobody seems to do anything about it."
I just thought "we" might like to see what is happening. Some big wood there. (I have and have felled 60+ foot trees but light spruce half the diameter of these oaks.)
> Please keep the trees in his own land sacred amazonian forest. We can do it with French steel and keep original architectural shape
> Have you also sent that message to Notre Dame restoration management team?
> You thinks they receive email messages from French cityzens ?
It is far too late for such fresh thinking. The French Oaks are on the ground. If the steel company is disappointed, they can cry for a sprinkler-pipe contract. The cityzens? We have a saying: "Everybody talks about the weather but nobody seems to do anything about it."
I just thought "we" might like to see what is happening. Some big wood there. (I have and have felled 60+ foot trees but light spruce half the diameter of these oaks.)
If I were in charge I would rebuild the roof supports (which are hidden from view) with steel, which would distinguish them as being replacements when examined in future centuries.. This is similar to the practice of repairing stone buildings of the past with concrete instead of stone, so it's clear what was original and what is new. Often the concrete color is left natural which isn't always the prettiest but I understand the point. Even though I'm an architect, I like the idea of leaving ND looking as before the fire in the observable areas. Possibly the exterior roof could be another material if it truly looked compatible. The danger with newer materials is that they often look too perfect.
And as I mentioned before, steel is far from fireproof or even fire resistant. It loses most of its strength at absurdly low temperatures. So a potentially elegant steel structure for the roof would be completely covered in a fireproofing material, which could still look OK if done right or a lumpy mess if not.
And as I mentioned before, steel is far from fireproof or even fire resistant. It loses most of its strength at absurdly low temperatures. So a potentially elegant steel structure for the roof would be completely covered in a fireproofing material, which could still look OK if done right or a lumpy mess if not.
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Nothing wrong with getting closer to the ideal quality. I mean, that's what they tried to achieve before.
This brings the discussion back to Pompidou Center in Paris. They covered the steel truss with fireproofing material, then they clad it with steel sheets to make it look like exposed steel which is basically a design mockery.
When Notre Dame was being fabricated, virtually everyone never knew of Brazils existence....many still believed one could sail off the end of the world.
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Old oak trees (100 to 200 years) come from "La Neuve-Lyre"
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Politics had choosen a General Jean-Louis Georgelin to drive reconstruction. .
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A ceremony will occur on 4/1/2021. Here is the link kto
Good timeline : not so bad, during these harsh times
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Politics had choosen a General Jean-Louis Georgelin to drive reconstruction. .
link wikipedia
A ceremony will occur on 4/1/2021. Here is the link kto
Good timeline : not so bad, during these harsh times
this is a good reminder that while politics is a big factor in the ND reconstruction, political comments aren't allowed on diyAudio so we'll just need to stay away from that..
The NY Times did an excellent article analyzing why the fire got so out of control Notre-Dame came far closer to collapsing than people knew. This is how it was saved. - The New York Times.
One of the biggest issues was that when the alarm first came, a new employee sent to investigate went to the wrong place to investigate and reported it was a false alarm. When I did seminars I used this as an example of the importance of training.
And had it not been for one brave woman fire fighter Notre Dame would have burned to the ground. It came within minutes of happening despite her efforts.
One of the biggest issues was that when the alarm first came, a new employee sent to investigate went to the wrong place to investigate and reported it was a false alarm. When I did seminars I used this as an example of the importance of training.
And had it not been for one brave woman fire fighter Notre Dame would have burned to the ground. It came within minutes of happening despite her efforts.
What will our civilization do if the Roman Colosseum rattled to the ground in a major earthquake in Rome? Would we restore the structure to honor the symbol of Roman times? Identical trains of thought must be applied to the likes of Notre Dame if it had collapsed in its entirety.
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The difference between Colosseum and Notre Dame is that one was abandoned for many centuries while Notre Dame has been in continuous use ever since it was "completed".
The use of the colosseum was used in its intended form for appx. 500 years until "battles, or savagery fell out of fashion...and later was abandoned & used as a materials quarry.
The building that housed that early church in its "newness" also had laws, edicts & punishments for the craft of Witchcraft...the current usages of Notre Dame is far and away not similar to its origins some 700 years ago.
If the Colosseum had been 'converted' & restored to a new sport, say an early form of football (soccer)...things would have been radically different.
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The building that housed that early church in its "newness" also had laws, edicts & punishments for the craft of Witchcraft...the current usages of Notre Dame is far and away not similar to its origins some 700 years ago.
If the Colosseum had been 'converted' & restored to a new sport, say an early form of football (soccer)...things would have been radically different.
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About destroyed church buildings.
The largest ever built Christian building is the "Cluny abbey" in France. At the French revolution it was ransacked, looted then used as a stone quarry.
It had five main towers and a huge nave with double transepts at both sides. There remains the major bell tower and remains showing where was the nave entrance.
There has never been real intentions to rebuilt it.
The largest ever built Christian building is the "Cluny abbey" in France. At the French revolution it was ransacked, looted then used as a stone quarry.
It had five main towers and a huge nave with double transepts at both sides. There remains the major bell tower and remains showing where was the nave entrance.
There has never been real intentions to rebuilt it.