New: Faital Pro 12RS430

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@Gibbi, did you receive them? Any updates?
I have received them but have been procrastinating the install as that's how I am plus I have to reconfigure the baffle as the HPM100 woofers have a larger diameter cutout. Anyhow, a blown HPM woofer during a listening session has put this on the front burner and I will have this completed by the weekend and will report back on how they sound, pics, etc. Side by side with the HPM100 speakers the difference is quite noticeable. HPM's look puny.
 
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@Gibbi I would recommend repairing the HPM100s and selling them to finance building new boxes for the 12RS430. If you continue with the upcycle consider replacing the port with a larger diameter and longer tube. The HPM100s are the only system I've heard port chuffing, the port is much too small.
 
@scholl Boxes already built, not using the HPM boxes for years now, and the port size is already taken care of (see pic I posted of the speakers in this thread). I am selling the 3 good drivers I have left, not messing with the one I blew. There are no recone kits for these anyway.
 
The 12RS430 have very good parameters for a moderately large bass-reflex box (like a fullrange floorstander) and the 30 Hz Fs is very rare amongst the pro woofers, even for a 15" or 18", which is a warm welcome and still has a healthy sensitivity. So it's like a blend of a home/hifi and a pro woofer, nice option IMO.
That's the conclusion I came to. I like the liveliness at normal listening levels that comes with a good big-motor prosound woofer, even if their max SPL capability is never really used.

Please someone write a few words about the subjective experience of these drivers! For example, how they sounds compared to home/hifi or typical pro sound drivers.

Years ago I used the Pioneer TAD TL-1102 in a two-way, crossed over to a horn at about 1.5 kHz. The TAD had a dip between 500 Hz and 1 kHz that the Faital does not have. I'd say subjective midrange quality is in the same ballpark, the Faital arguably measures better and definitely hits harder in the bass. I crossed it over at 1.4 kHz (passive).
 
I have a pair of the 12RS430 in each L/R speaker and have listened to them for about 2 months now and am quite pleased with the sound. I am crossing them at 600Hz and they do well in this range. Like the extra thump that I have with these over the HPM100 woofers that I was using prior. No more bottoming out of the coils for me. They do take alot of break in and I imagine there is a bit more left. When I first installed them I didn't like the sound so much. A bit too midrangie. The rubber surround will great for the long term but the breakin time was the longest I've experienced.
 
I also would estimate it's the spider cause it should be way stiffer as the rubber surround. I won't use dissolving and material changing liquids on the surround 🤓 and probably also would not go as far as "cracking" the spider. But a good old wobble near Xmax for a few hours in free air should help.
And be careful with that - when the spider get's weaker excursion get's higher - you probably need to reduce level over time to not go from Xmax to Xdmg ...
 
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