Because measurements are done with IEC baffle at close distance of 31.6 cm (and than scaled to 2.83V/1m).
Would you describe the phenomenon that caused the dip in the response ?
Please ?
IEC baffle is a dipole loudspeaker, so there will be one wide dip around 150 Hz (as seen on all pictures).
Dip at 50 Hz and peak below 40 Hz are the same with different drver Fs, so are room related:
http://www.sbacoustics.com/files/4314/9500/2073/4in SB12CACS25-4-graph.png
Dip at 50 Hz and peak below 40 Hz are the same with different drver Fs, so are room related:
http://www.sbacoustics.com/files/4314/9500/2073/4in SB12CACS25-4-graph.png
So one thing that is kind of weird is that despite being ceramic, they also seem to use the standard 3-part construction. Cone, dust cap and voice coil former.
Actually it's weird any metal cone driver does this too.
Wonder why. I mean if I was going to go through the trouble of making a pure ceramic driver, I would at least eliminate the dust cap.
The reason is quite simple: These ceramics are made by oxidizing aluminium. They produce it like any usual aluminium cone and oxidizing the upper layer of aluminium then, which makes the cones 'automatically' composite layered. Another technique is to 'spray coating' it on, I think it may be named 'vapor deposition' but I'm not sure (sry, not a native speaker) and let it build up that way. So it's not the same as the membranes of the Thiel/Accuton drivers which are, to my knowledge, pure ceramics.
I mean, the idea of forming the dust cap separately and gluing it on is an artifact of paper cone construction, isn't it?
No, it got several constructional advantages. Because the dustcap can be mounted last, it is so much easier to center the voice coil and glue it on, that keeps the tolerances low. And, ofcourse, you can use the same, already existing production lines as for all the other drivers.
It is a ceramic cone or a ceramic coated metal cone ?
The latter. And I pretty much prefer it that way by far. Firstly, the breakup does not happen that explosion-like and secondly something like this can't happen:
Hi,
Looks like the new SB Acoustics ceramic drivers will be used in the new Revel speakers. Revel - Future Products
They call this driver cone "Deep Ceramic Composite (DCC) cone technology".
The 6.5" ceramic driver has a cone break-up mode at ~9kHz, while the pure alu version has it at ~10kHz.
9kHz is good for a driver of this size, but as in the alu version to have it at 10kHz is simply amazing.
SB17CAC35-4
SB17NAC35-4
Regards
/Göran
Looks like the new SB Acoustics ceramic drivers will be used in the new Revel speakers. Revel - Future Products
They call this driver cone "Deep Ceramic Composite (DCC) cone technology".
The 6.5" ceramic driver has a cone break-up mode at ~9kHz, while the pure alu version has it at ~10kHz.
9kHz is good for a driver of this size, but as in the alu version to have it at 10kHz is simply amazing.
SB17CAC35-4
SB17NAC35-4
Regards
/Göran
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"for optimum piston operation and reduced break-up"
I see huuuge break-ups...
Yes, these are hard cone drivers, but look at the distortion plots:
www.audioexcite.com -- SB Acoustics SB17NAC35-4
The break-ups are very well handled and is the best I've seen and measured for a hard cone driver of this size.
Regards
/Göran
I find this one to have nice datas : SB Acoustics :: 5" SATORI MR13P-4<br><font color="#FFFF00">NEW!</font>
150 Hz to 7000 Hz with a LR4 then a serie notch if not enough ?
150 Hz to 7000 Hz with a LR4 then a serie notch if not enough ?
Are the SB17 range all the same below 100hz?(distortionwise)Hi,
Looks like the new SB Acoustics ceramic drivers will be used in the new Revel speakers. Revel - Future Products
They call this driver cone "Deep Ceramic Composite (DCC) cone technology".
The 6.5" ceramic driver has a cone break-up mode at ~9kHz, while the pure alu version has it at ~10kHz.
9kHz is good for a driver of this size, but as in the alu version to have it at 10kHz is simply amazing.
SB17CAC35-4
SB17NAC35-4
Regards
/Göran
Not possible..Are the SB17 range all the same below 100hz?(distortionwise)
But, that is very good THD for 6-7' driver, usually have first distorsion peak around or below 2k..
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Not possible..
But, that is very good THD for 6-7' driver, usually have first distorsion peak around or below 2k..
Interested in below 100hz as there are differing opinions of various SB17 models. Id assume the motors are identical, just the cones and possibly spiders are different.
Are the SB17 range all the same below 100hz?(distortionwise)
Sorry, I don't have such distortion measurements.
Rgds
/Göran
Zaph had distorsion measurements below 100Hz..Sorry, I don't have such distortion measurements.
You can't call it efficiency because you'd have to measure the power response of the driver. Maybe the cone is some sort of weird configuration that is its own horn, so on-axis the driver is super-sensitive. Then you'd think that the efficiency was very high, but not so - there's no sound energy off axis. So sensitivity works just fine - no need to change it."Sensitivity" doesn't seem like the right word.
It's really efficiency, sort of, because you are declaring that one watt of electric input results in a certain wattage (power) of output. Granted that's the opposite of what I previously argued.
Of course, if expressed in percent instead of dB, it would be a horrible sounding figure like .1%.
Or maybe "decipercentage"!
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I'm sure there are other reasons as well. That's just one example I picked for the sake of contrarianism.
There's a build over on PETT atm with a 6" CAC and ribbon tweet.I hope someone fires up a pair of the SB Acoustic ceramics soon. I am very curious as to how they behave and sound vs. the lower cost paper cones and the higher end Satori drivers.
Interestingly, the 5" 4 ohm digs quite deep and has a nice frequency response. V tempted to try it with the Viawave RT850 when funds allow
They seem very identical, I doubt the ceramic layer is really of any difference - they appear surface threated to me. Ceramic is with colors, aluminium is in grayscale. $15 more under normal prices (the aluminium are now on sale at $39 each) with no justification is somewhat not my cup of tea.
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I got a pair of the new CAC mid woofers. First test measurements were taken today. Bass goes very low for the 15cm woofer but IMHO it doesn't have so many ''colours'' as paper woofers. Midrange are superb and very natural with plenty details. Overall good value for the money.
I have made quick setup with SB21RDC and they play beautiful, one of the best budget monitors I have made.
I have made quick setup with SB21RDC and they play beautiful, one of the best budget monitors I have made.
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About that first illustration, is that showing speaker distortion running as low as .1% THD? Or am I reading it all wrong?I got a pair of the new CAC mid woofers. First test measurements were taken today.....
.1% would be truly incredible.
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