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Not a bad idea, Nanook.
Add a large Tang Band Tweeter that can be crossed fairly low (on sale!) and you'd come out for less than $100 a side including crossover. Could work. Should thump plenty.
Nanook said:
Not a bad idea, Nanook.
Add a large Tang Band Tweeter that can be crossed fairly low (on sale!) and you'd come out for less than $100 a side including crossover. Could work. Should thump plenty.
Hi,
Do not build anything with stock crossovers, it will not work well.
for $300 :
Is a possibility, sealed box should integrate well with a sub.
Note the box design is poor, double thickness front baffle
and substantial bracing will improve matters considerably.
http://www.speakerbuilder.net/web_files/Projects/Lyra/lyramain.htm
Other high value projects are out there :
RJ has built an interesting design that I presume is very cost effective :
If you ask him nicely he may help, I haven't seen the crossover details.
🙂/sreten.
Do not build anything with stock crossovers, it will not work well.
for $300 :
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Is a possibility, sealed box should integrate well with a sub.
Note the box design is poor, double thickness front baffle
and substantial bracing will improve matters considerably.
http://www.speakerbuilder.net/web_files/Projects/Lyra/lyramain.htm
Other high value projects are out there :
RJ has built an interesting design that I presume is very cost effective :
If you ask him nicely he may help, I haven't seen the crossover details.
🙂/sreten.
If you still want your very own, this can be a nice and cheap speaker with medium high sensitivity around 93db
Woofer is a Dayton 12" , cost 68 USD
Mid is Emminence 6" Alpha 6A, cost 30 USD (?)
Tweeter is VIFA DX 25, cost 28 USD
I would help you make a simple crossover
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=295-120
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/pshowdetl.cfm?&PartNumber=290-400
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm? &DID=7&Partnumber=264-578
My guess is you need a speaker that sound nice at low and medium levels, so you wont have to turn it up so loud to fill your room with nice balanced sound, and reaching 93db sensitivity you will have plenty of dynamic power
Woofer is a Dayton 12" , cost 68 USD
Mid is Emminence 6" Alpha 6A, cost 30 USD (?)
Tweeter is VIFA DX 25, cost 28 USD
I would help you make a simple crossover
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=295-120
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/pshowdetl.cfm?&PartNumber=290-400
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm? &DID=7&Partnumber=264-578
My guess is you need a speaker that sound nice at low and medium levels, so you wont have to turn it up so loud to fill your room with nice balanced sound, and reaching 93db sensitivity you will have plenty of dynamic power
tinitus said:
And wrong by the sound of it.
Midband sensitivity with a 92dB bass driver should be
87dB to 89dB, depending on the amount of BSC used.
🙂/sreten.
Crossover will take care of that
I would like two 12", but it will break budget and complicate things
But I am sure Punk likes a speaker with "bite" and not an allways polite polished sound
I guess I will leave this .... too many "wannabees" making arrogant endless discussions ending nowhere !
I would like two 12", but it will break budget and complicate things
But I am sure Punk likes a speaker with "bite" and not an allways polite polished sound
I guess I will leave this .... too many "wannabees" making arrogant endless discussions ending nowhere !
sreten said:
Other high value projects are out there :
RJ has built an interesting design that I presume is very cost effective :
If you ask him nicely he may help, I haven't seen the crossover details.
🙂/sreten.
I second that! If you don't mind that those are 7" drivers, that could be an extremely nice sounding speaker (depending on how well he did with the crossover). As far as moderately small home systems go, that one should make some happy bass.
Hey Punkrokr:
Keep with your decison:
ONLY build a design that has been designed and built by someone recommended here. That's how we can help you. It is impossible to design a decent speaker without hearing it at some point. Unless you are quite lucky.
Think about this: people, including myself, were happy to discuss drivers and configurations for page after page. Determining the volume of boxes and the port length is pretty easy these days with computer programs, so that kinda moved along....
BUT when it came time to design the crossovers, there was a lot of hemming and hawing- why? In my opinion because people know it is hard to do right, and almost impossible to do without hearing the speaker, Also, you called us experts, but many here were well intentioned but aren't "experts" So... faced with the amount you claimed to be planning to spend, and some controversy on whether this is really going to work for you, I think people began to realize that perhaps we weren't helping you all that much and the results might not be that good.
I hope I don't offend the people that were helping you, and it isn't true about everyone , but certainly myself!!!🙄
On your part it is important for you to be straightforward about what you can spend and what you can make. It isn't fair to make people go through all this if you don't intend to actually build anything. I think your new request shows that you (and probably your family!!) are being more realistic.
Again: Look over the designed speakers people will suggest here, give it a week to get lots of choices.. and choose one- then build it- with our help!
Keep with your decison:
ONLY build a design that has been designed and built by someone recommended here. That's how we can help you. It is impossible to design a decent speaker without hearing it at some point. Unless you are quite lucky.
Think about this: people, including myself, were happy to discuss drivers and configurations for page after page. Determining the volume of boxes and the port length is pretty easy these days with computer programs, so that kinda moved along....
BUT when it came time to design the crossovers, there was a lot of hemming and hawing- why? In my opinion because people know it is hard to do right, and almost impossible to do without hearing the speaker, Also, you called us experts, but many here were well intentioned but aren't "experts" So... faced with the amount you claimed to be planning to spend, and some controversy on whether this is really going to work for you, I think people began to realize that perhaps we weren't helping you all that much and the results might not be that good.
I hope I don't offend the people that were helping you, and it isn't true about everyone , but certainly myself!!!🙄
On your part it is important for you to be straightforward about what you can spend and what you can make. It isn't fair to make people go through all this if you don't intend to actually build anything. I think your new request shows that you (and probably your family!!) are being more realistic.
Again: Look over the designed speakers people will suggest here, give it a week to get lots of choices.. and choose one- then build it- with our help!
Hi,
If I were spending all my money on my first project I would like it to be right and I would demand it at least got close to right.
I suspect a number here realise that you are going to fall into the category of expecting your hard earned cash to do the job.
Spend your money wisely.
If I were spending all my money on my first project I would like it to be right and I would demand it at least got close to right.
I suspect a number here realise that you are going to fall into the category of expecting your hard earned cash to do the job.
Spend your money wisely.
I do partly agree with you, and I was a bit rough... tired of all this on and on, getting no where
But its hard to say what a person will like, perfect or not
I experienced it just the other day...
A friend is very impressed with my present speakers, and thought his girlfriend should have a listen... but she was not impressed at all
A little while ago I listened to a 70k dollar setup.... well, it sounded nice, nothing more
And I remember Punk saying he listened to a good setup, with a friend of his farther, and he could hear it sounded good ... but it didnt excite him at all
Finding a nice speaker is not that hard, but finding just the one you like may not be that easy
But its hard to say what a person will like, perfect or not
I experienced it just the other day...
A friend is very impressed with my present speakers, and thought his girlfriend should have a listen... but she was not impressed at all
A little while ago I listened to a 70k dollar setup.... well, it sounded nice, nothing more
And I remember Punk saying he listened to a good setup, with a friend of his farther, and he could hear it sounded good ... but it didnt excite him at all
Finding a nice speaker is not that hard, but finding just the one you like may not be that easy
tinitus said:
Well said!
What you like about a speaker and what other people like or don't like is never going to be the same. That's why there are soooo many different speakers and speaker designs. It's not any easy task.
Having done a lot of live sound over the years, you learn to pick the right speaker (or system) for the right job. Since the jobs can be so vastly different, so will the speakers be. The speakers you want for background music, or a guy talking at a sales meeting, or a rock concert, or a night club, or your living room are not going to be the same. You choose the speaker to fit the source and the location. There are different needs and expectations in each case. The hardest one might be your living room!
It seems that what you want is the "Ultimate Party Speaker." Nothing wrong with that. Generally speaking, a "Party Speaker" is big, loud, has plenty of bass. The fine points like stereo imaging, coherent midrange, fine detail, correct tonal balance are not the primary concern. Keeping your buddies happy, the neighbors awake and the cops at the door, are. 😀
The Magna Cum Laude project at Parts Express is a party speaker. So are the "Golden Boys." The Blue Wonders are big enough to do parties were people pay to get in.
Those are the sorts of designs you should be looking at - if it's the party speaker you want. I don't think you're going to be happy with anything else.
I have heard some interesting technopop on a car-setup, and it was very far from being correct, but hell, it had real impressive dynamics .... a speaker dont have to be big to do that, but a wimpy design for classical music dont cut it
I find it impressive that its possible to make speaker with 100 USD fore fair quality drivers ... wish I could get hold of those drivers myself .... please dont take this as a "sales speach", not my intention
I find it impressive that its possible to make speaker with 100 USD fore fair quality drivers ... wish I could get hold of those drivers myself .... please dont take this as a "sales speach", not my intention
party speakers..
back again.
My suggestion of a t-w-w is solidly "bassed" , and will play quite loud. Easily too loud to stay in a room with.
Yes"stock" xovers may need to be tweeked, but The ones I suggested were from Dayton for use with their drivers, so a decent match (although perhaps not perfect) can easily be attained.
The idea of the 2 woofs so close together is a 3db increase in bass output, so lots of bass, relatively small enclosure, , etc. a PA style trick (and car audio too), it offsets the 3dB drop hooking the woofs in parallel.
Staying with high efficienct designs, the PI speakers are pretty inexpensive as are the Adire He10.1's. Both have been well reviewed and recommended. You could also consider a Dyanaco A25 "based" system by WAD design, but methinks it wouldn't be "party" enough (although my old A25s are pretty frigin amazing for $12 a pair I paid)..
also , again, punk what amp are you using? I don't care about watts, but current capabilities would be "nice" to know.
Perhaps the best advice in the $300 range is to find some golden oldies and rebuild or listen to them (I've seen a pair of JBL L26 locally here for $100 cdn). There are some great finds out there, just stay away from "audiophile" types and move towards old Japanese/American stuff from the early 70s-late 80s. Alot of loudspeaker can be bought for $100 pair.
back again.
My suggestion of a t-w-w is solidly "bassed" , and will play quite loud. Easily too loud to stay in a room with.
Yes"stock" xovers may need to be tweeked, but The ones I suggested were from Dayton for use with their drivers, so a decent match (although perhaps not perfect) can easily be attained.
The idea of the 2 woofs so close together is a 3db increase in bass output, so lots of bass, relatively small enclosure, , etc. a PA style trick (and car audio too), it offsets the 3dB drop hooking the woofs in parallel.
Staying with high efficienct designs, the PI speakers are pretty inexpensive as are the Adire He10.1's. Both have been well reviewed and recommended. You could also consider a Dyanaco A25 "based" system by WAD design, but methinks it wouldn't be "party" enough (although my old A25s are pretty frigin amazing for $12 a pair I paid)..
also , again, punk what amp are you using? I don't care about watts, but current capabilities would be "nice" to know.
Perhaps the best advice in the $300 range is to find some golden oldies and rebuild or listen to them (I've seen a pair of JBL L26 locally here for $100 cdn). There are some great finds out there, just stay away from "audiophile" types and move towards old Japanese/American stuff from the early 70s-late 80s. Alot of loudspeaker can be bought for $100 pair.
Anyone mentioned Altec 511B's yet ? I've got a pair and am waiting to source some drivers for them.
They'll do 500Hz up horn loaded, leaving a need for a pair of good 15's per side for a simple, dynamic 2 way. (I'd look for used jbl 2226's) Even the xo should be fairly simple.
I'd link to audioasylum but it's down right now.
Rob.
They'll do 500Hz up horn loaded, leaving a need for a pair of good 15's per side for a simple, dynamic 2 way. (I'd look for used jbl 2226's) Even the xo should be fairly simple.
I'd link to audioasylum but it's down right now.
Rob.
Cheap junk. Not worth your time.
Funnny to see that they are making JBL EON rip-offs. 🙂
The EON speakers are cheap enough, wonder how much those cost?
If you want ready made stuff, look for something like this. http://www.123dj.com/speakers/cerwin/int252.html
Scale up or down depending on your budget.
Funnny to see that they are making JBL EON rip-offs. 🙂
The EON speakers are cheap enough, wonder how much those cost?
If you want ready made stuff, look for something like this. http://www.123dj.com/speakers/cerwin/int252.html
Scale up or down depending on your budget.
Not to give anyone a mving target but when I do decide to build the big speakers would these be worth saving up for? I've been scanning through alot of 18" woofers out there and (unless the specs are overated and biased ) they seem to be the cream of the crop. I mean 1000watts @ 97.5db/watt/meter wouldn't that reach insaneley loud SPL? Then again the Madison Exicutioneer has a 1000watt @ 103db/watt/meter.I've heard that dual Madisons will reach 140+db, is that ture, it sure seems possible.
Hi,
The gain probably comes from inserting the dual Mads inside another box and sealing up the outer box and then measuring the sound pressure inside the sealed box. Some people will do anything so you can't hear the sound escaping.
Only idiots would seal themselves inside the outer box.
I guess you read about that at some car noise competition site.
they cheated. Check the numbers, there is gain built in there.
The gain probably comes from inserting the dual Mads inside another box and sealing up the outer box and then measuring the sound pressure inside the sealed box. Some people will do anything so you can't hear the sound escaping.
Only idiots would seal themselves inside the outer box.
I guess you read about that at some car noise competition site.
Back on track!
Ok, let's focus!
Yes, that's a nice pro woofer. Yes, the Executioner has street cred. Yes, we could do a system that would go 10 or 15 db higher than the last 18-12 thing we were talking about.
We have a solid target: $300 budget for something with the bass capability of at least two 8" woofers (same as one 10" woofer). You've requested a focus on sound quality, and we're well aware of your desire for high SPL and bass.
I've been kind of busy lately, so I can't offer any designs that fit the criteria. I'll keep an eye out, and let you know if I see something.
Ok, let's focus!
Yes, that's a nice pro woofer. Yes, the Executioner has street cred. Yes, we could do a system that would go 10 or 15 db higher than the last 18-12 thing we were talking about.
We have a solid target: $300 budget for something with the bass capability of at least two 8" woofers (same as one 10" woofer). You've requested a focus on sound quality, and we're well aware of your desire for high SPL and bass.
I've been kind of busy lately, so I can't offer any designs that fit the criteria. I'll keep an eye out, and let you know if I see something.
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