Ah sorry my mistake! I believe they were rebranded from MD to BD, ill double check and check my pair but thats my understanding. Many apologies for confusion.
Assuming they would fit physically, looking at the driver TS data do you believe it would sound ok? Do 8" drivers in this cabinet have any potential draw backs?
Assuming they would fit physically, looking at the driver TS data do you believe it would sound ok? Do 8" drivers in this cabinet have any potential draw backs?
The Lowther PM6C T/S are here:
The Lowther PM6C Drive Unit
Lowther Loudspeakers -
I'd be interested in seeing how they shape up on the sim too if Scott has the time
Hi Dave, many thanks that would be FANTASTIC, fingers crossed and thanks in advance to Scott!
I have confirmed today with AER that the MD3B and BD3B are exactly the same drivers with just a name change, so the TS parameters are the second set (the B version) at the bottom of the BD3 datasheet;
AER_Full_Range_Loudspeaker_BD3-BD3B_DE.pdf
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such as, perhaps
For those not familiar - our favorite papa's famous Kleinhorns
not shown in this photo are the El Pipe-O woofers,
An externally hosted image should be here but it was not working when we last tested it.
For those not familiar - our favorite papa's famous Kleinhorns
not shown in this photo are the El Pipe-O woofers,
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FH xl expectations
Ive never owned, but always wanted to hear, bass horn speakers.
I currently own 4pi speakers (two way bass reflex speakers).
They use simple passive crossovers, 15" mid woofers and waveguides.
Powered by a ANK kit 1 300B SET amp.
If I chose to build these horns, besides the obvious lack of mid bass punch that the fhxl's will posses compared to my current 4pi speakers (I'm assuming), and how loud they can play, can anyone add to the differences I can expect?
Perhaps this is just a "build them and find out" scenario.
I was also wondering if my SET amp (8watts x 2) was suitable for these horns, being that these amps have a rather high output impedance?
Regards!
Ive never owned, but always wanted to hear, bass horn speakers.
I currently own 4pi speakers (two way bass reflex speakers).
They use simple passive crossovers, 15" mid woofers and waveguides.
Powered by a ANK kit 1 300B SET amp.
If I chose to build these horns, besides the obvious lack of mid bass punch that the fhxl's will posses compared to my current 4pi speakers (I'm assuming), and how loud they can play, can anyone add to the differences I can expect?
Perhaps this is just a "build them and find out" scenario.
I was also wondering if my SET amp (8watts x 2) was suitable for these horns, being that these amps have a rather high output impedance?
Regards!
Midbass = 40-80 Hz.
A 5 ¼" A10 will definitely not move as much air as a 15" but the horn helps. I bet the FHXL will kill the 4pi thru the midrange thou (where most of the music is)
Yes. You can get an idea of what other people think, but only you can decide what you like
The power is suitable. The rest depends on the quality of the amp.
dave
ANK1 = Audio Note Kit 1, I assume? 300B SET with what would likely be attributed as "decent enough" power supply and OPT - the cornerstones of a decent tube amp, n-est ce pas?
As Dave suggests, whether the combination would be sufficiently "punchy / dramatic" enough, well even the best modeling software and experienced wild a$$ can't answer that - but less than 5 minutes of your time can.
How about somebody send you a you-tube link of a pair playing in their system, and you can listen on computer desk-top or headphones
Sorry for the snark there, but it's not too much of a stretch to note that more than a few folks try to assess audio equipment in pretty much that manner.
As Dave suggests, whether the combination would be sufficiently "punchy / dramatic" enough, well even the best modeling software and experienced wild a$$ can't answer that - but less than 5 minutes of your time can.
How about somebody send you a you-tube link of a pair playing in their system, and you can listen on computer desk-top or headphones
Sorry for the snark there, but it's not too much of a stretch to note that more than a few folks try to assess audio equipment in pretty much that manner.
C45?
I've asked Scott to check that one too. Vas is closer to what i see in 4" drivers. I have modeled a miniOnken alignment, the box is 6L. (F10 60 Hz)
From that last, this may work better in FH3, it isn't going to fit into the box thou.
dave
sorry about the last part - half the time I don't understand myself as soon as the breathe leaves my lips or the submit reply button has been punched - this post likely not excluded
If your amp is indeed this guy:
you probably don't need to worry about its performance.
I've never heard any of the Pi speakers, but if my recent exposure to DIY systems with JBL 15" woofers and FR drivers &/or AMT tweeters, or numerous multi-ways with "pro" drivers is of any relevance, I think it's fair to say they are cut from a very different cloth indeed than any of the FR based systems generally discussed here. There is of course always the option of adding woofers . FWIW, of the 3 drivers which I've heard in the XLs, the Fostex FF165WK might be a better bet at approaching the dynamic punch it sounds like you're looking for.
The sarcastic remark regarding you-tube videos is probably a non-sequitur - an observation of the number of them that are often linked to on this site and others as demos - think about the chain of additional components between the system being played and your own ears.
<rant>
The output of the device is convolved with the system of the person making the recording, the room they are in, the microphone they are recorded with (a LOT of information lost right there). Then about 90% of what is captured is thrown away to get it on YouTube. Then it is further convolved with your playback system & room. You may be able to get the broad strokes, but all the important low level information -- the stuff you need to tell a good DUT from a great one -- is lost.
</rant>
dave
sorry about the last part - half the time I don't understand myself as soon as the breathe leaves my lips or the submit reply button has been punched - this post likely not excluded
If your amp is indeed this guy:
you probably don't need to worry about its performance.
I've never heard any of the Pi speakers, but if my recent exposure to DIY systems with JBL 15" woofers and FR drivers &/or AMT tweeters, or numerous multi-ways with "pro" drivers is of any relevance, I think it's fair to say they are cut from a very different cloth indeed than any of the FR based systems generally discussed here. There is of course always the option of adding woofers . FWIW, of the 3 drivers which I've heard in the XLs, the Fostex FF165WK might be a better bet at approaching the dynamic punch it sounds like you're looking for.
The sarcastic remark regarding you-tube videos is probably a non-sequitur - an observation of the number of them that are often linked to on this site and others as demos - think about the chain of additional components between the system being played and your own ears.
No worries Chrisb.
Yes, that is the amp I just built.
I'll keep those woofer suggestions in mind, but Ill probably (initially) stay with the A10.
I agree, and fully expect the FHXL's to be of a different feather than my current 4pi speakers. I welcome this, as I want to try speakers of a completely different flavor, and have always wanted to hear/own horns.
I am not overly concerned, nor do I have tunnel vision for "dynamic punch" as I already own speakers with plenty of it.
When I swapped in my set amp, I was taken by the beautiful (to me) midrange compared to my SS amp.
Ive always been interested in full range horns, and like Dave said, the midrange is supposed to be great. So I thought I'd give the FHXL's a shot..
I too, find it humorous when folks want you hear the hifi "quality" of their rigs on youtube
.johnny - yes, there can be something captivating - nay - even seductive, about the combination of a competent SET amp (tube or SS, such as the wonderful Pass ACA) and a single driver speaker. When I had the time for relaxed listening, it always allowed me get back to the core of what I assumed / hoped to be the emotional experience the composers /artists / producers intended. Of course, for the most part, we'll never know for certain what that was - although there will always be an expert or critic somewhere to bloviate on the subject. Indeed, witness the popularity of fora such as these
Hello Folks:
I thought you might like to see the set of Frugel-Horn XL that I built. They are made from 3/4inch Big Leaf Maple. The drivers are Alpair A10p EN. I added a few extra braces to help keep the panel resonance to a minimum. I followed the plans from D.Dlugos and added 1/4inch to the width to account for the braces. I and am very happy with the outcome. My wife also likes the look and sound.
Thanks Dave
I also made a set of floor standing Trapezoids for the Alpair A10.3m EN drivers ( separate thread)
I thought you might like to see the set of Frugel-Horn XL that I built. They are made from 3/4inch Big Leaf Maple. The drivers are Alpair A10p EN. I added a few extra braces to help keep the panel resonance to a minimum. I followed the plans from D.Dlugos and added 1/4inch to the width to account for the braces. I and am very happy with the outcome. My wife also likes the look and sound.
Thanks Dave
I also made a set of floor standing Trapezoids for the Alpair A10.3m EN drivers ( separate thread)
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