I think its wrong to say that our feelings and emotions only disturb and trick our mind in a listening test
What is objectivity in listening
Is it a wanted goal at all
Lets imagine we can switch out our feelings in a listening test
Well, it can be done - deliberately confusingly blindtest
And what do we hear - not much actually
Without our feelings involved we are not able to make any fair judgement
We would be like psychopathic listener - all cold without meaning
Without any kind of feelings or emotions involved, you will not be able to judge between good or bad - its in its nature
Bad mood, bad sound - good mood, good sound - simple as that
If a setup has involving qualities - how will you judge that with out any kind of emotions
But most peoples preferences are in general very different, thats for sure
What is objectivity in listening
Is it a wanted goal at all
Lets imagine we can switch out our feelings in a listening test
Well, it can be done - deliberately confusingly blindtest
And what do we hear - not much actually
Without our feelings involved we are not able to make any fair judgement
We would be like psychopathic listener - all cold without meaning
Without any kind of feelings or emotions involved, you will not be able to judge between good or bad - its in its nature
Bad mood, bad sound - good mood, good sound - simple as that
If a setup has involving qualities - how will you judge that with out any kind of emotions
But most peoples preferences are in general very different, thats for sure
tinitus said:
If you don't know what to listen for, what differerence does it make anyway? If you can't perceive a difference, then for you there is no difference. If you listen only for your own enjoyment, then whatever works, works. If you need to see and you need to see nice cabinets or glowing tubes for the experience to be a good on, then I have no problems with your stating that. That is a very real thing.
But the issue raised here is of the validity of blind tests to determine if one can perceive a difference in actual physical changes to the reproduction chain. If you can't consistently (something more than random odds) determine a difference between two different set ups where you cannot tell the difference by looking and you do not know which of two you are listening to (and you can take however long you want, and use a dark room, a screen, whatever method you choose), then By Definition, the difference is not perceptible to you. If you have to know which one you are hearing in order to identify it, then you are not Hearing a difference, you are Perceiving a difference based on something other than the actual sound. I see no way around this simple logic.
As for "blind tests being set up to confuse", that could be. But in the above I make no attempt to define how to run the test. other than it be blind. Run it ten different ways if you want, and if a listener can perceive a difference in only one way but not another, then they perceive a difference based on sound. The only requirement is that the listener cannot know which they are hearing by any other means than the sound itself.
Sheldon
Of course there are different scenarios here too.
So often we ourselves can hear sound reproduction alterations when we change components. We 'A-B' see-hear what we are doing and often make a choice ourselves according to our own learned but 'individual' requirements. Nothing wrong with that.
Often though, we do a validating 'blind' doublecheck by asking others about the sound as we make the change whilst they listen. The listener often cannot be influenced because they do not know what is being done - they just state 'their' listening preference.
Both scenarios are quite different to the more complex and time consuming blind 'A-B' listening panel testing between completed amplifiers.
All cases are valid within their own limits
So often we ourselves can hear sound reproduction alterations when we change components. We 'A-B' see-hear what we are doing and often make a choice ourselves according to our own learned but 'individual' requirements. Nothing wrong with that.
Often though, we do a validating 'blind' doublecheck by asking others about the sound as we make the change whilst they listen. The listener often cannot be influenced because they do not know what is being done - they just state 'their' listening preference.
Both scenarios are quite different to the more complex and time consuming blind 'A-B' listening panel testing between completed amplifiers.
All cases are valid within their own limits
Interesting Tinitus, i will have to think a lot about, thanks Sheldon
And thanks Graham.... i could understand your words and ideas, as they made sense and not difficult to understand....and both have my agreement.
Related Tinitus..... he made an interesting question...if we listen with ears and brain plus conscience...some unfiltered system...or if we have ear... feelings or emotions and then conscience.
So...in the second, we have something in the middle that can turn things different, modifications can be made the way you perceive..the way get into conscience...some filtering i imagine.
I will have to think....really i cannot say nothing about, as the first ideas i have is that we listen music with our feelings department, as music is love, passion and all emotions...so.... feelings or emotions are the first thing comes to my mind.
But i have to think...i do not know.... and i have to research on the perception books to see if i can find something about.
But was interesting Tinitus...very interesting...thank you to make me think more deeply into this subject.
regards,
Carlos
And thanks Graham.... i could understand your words and ideas, as they made sense and not difficult to understand....and both have my agreement.
Related Tinitus..... he made an interesting question...if we listen with ears and brain plus conscience...some unfiltered system...or if we have ear... feelings or emotions and then conscience.
So...in the second, we have something in the middle that can turn things different, modifications can be made the way you perceive..the way get into conscience...some filtering i imagine.
I will have to think....really i cannot say nothing about, as the first ideas i have is that we listen music with our feelings department, as music is love, passion and all emotions...so.... feelings or emotions are the first thing comes to my mind.
But i have to think...i do not know.... and i have to research on the perception books to see if i can find something about.
But was interesting Tinitus...very interesting...thank you to make me think more deeply into this subject.
regards,
Carlos
Dx amplifier sounds so good, or even better, than those old Marantz that people is
trying to fix, trying to buy or trying to update.
All old Marantz use bootstrapped circuits, that nice sound you listen, a little muted because they had too much care to avoid possible oscilations, is obtained, with some advantages, in the Dx amplifier.
The schematic that sounds good...those simple bootstrapp circuits.
Do you like Marantz?...for sure will love Dx amplifier.
Observe, Marantz 2230, 2238, 2258 and so on...the 22 series is bootstrapped.... also the ones that is using Integrated circuits, inside those integrated circuits, a simple bootstrapped circuit is working, also Sony, Pioneer, Akai and many important brands.
People jumped into those circuits, and they continue to be used, even in professional amplifiers, because it is good.
regards,
Carlos
trying to fix, trying to buy or trying to update.
All old Marantz use bootstrapped circuits, that nice sound you listen, a little muted because they had too much care to avoid possible oscilations, is obtained, with some advantages, in the Dx amplifier.
The schematic that sounds good...those simple bootstrapp circuits.
Do you like Marantz?...for sure will love Dx amplifier.
Observe, Marantz 2230, 2238, 2258 and so on...the 22 series is bootstrapped.... also the ones that is using Integrated circuits, inside those integrated circuits, a simple bootstrapped circuit is working, also Sony, Pioneer, Akai and many important brands.
People jumped into those circuits, and they continue to be used, even in professional amplifiers, because it is good.
regards,
Carlos
Graham Maynard said:
Agree. What we do for our own purposes has only to satisfy us.
And a third party, such as a forum reader can accept a verdict of such a test as better/worse or just different. But that acceptance is based largely on faith in the tester's ability to make hear real differences. Reader's choice.
I'm inclined to accept judgements from people that I have observed to make cautious and qualified claims generally. I'm inclined to ignore those who claim a special mud makes every thing sound better when applied to all manner of speakers, amplifiers, cables, etc.. I can't be absolutely certain that they are wrong without careful tests to refute their findings, but given finite time on this planet I try to play the odds.
Graham Maynard said:
And I think that for our own use, and even most commercial organizations, this should be adequate.
Graham Maynard said:
Of course, a more rigorous test is required if we want to confirm a statistically significant audible change. I guess what you describe is what tinitus must have been referring to. My respone to his post was perhaps only to the wording which seemed to question the general validity of blind tests.
Maybe a somewhat relaxed but still fairly rigorous test would be to set up two different conditions. Match the volume between the two at a single pure frequency. Have a random generator make sequences of samples of the four combinationf of ab, ba, bb, aa. The user listens to anything they choose, at whatever volume they want, whenever they want, however long they want, and so forth. For each genreated pair, they can toggle back and forth, until they are satisfied that they can identify a difference or not in that pair. Then the generator makes a new pair and you go again. In this manner, the tester is in full control of the test conditions. If after some number of trials, if the tester does no better than random choices would predict, then for that tester, it can be said that there is no meaninful difference in the sound. If they do better than random, they do detect a different sound. If we want it a little tougher, we can ask the tester to state a preference when they detect a difference.
Graham Maynard said:
Yes, very key point.
Sheldon
Unfortunattely we do not know, exactly if we listen the same as others.
Also we do not know if we see the same as others.
Since we were very young we watch some colour and daddy or mom, or teacher, or friends told us.
- "This is yellow"
And that "thing" we observe was called yellow....... but i could see a different colour there and call it yellow, because i have learn that way...i can see different yellow or even another colour name......and we go living and communicating.
If you see yellow as blue:
- Please man....hold the yellow cube and bring it to me!
You, the blue vision one, will pick the blue cube, the one you call as yellow and you will offer it to the one asked...you can be "normal"...even not beeing completelly "normal".
This may explain our different tastes about a lot of subjects....vision, flavour and sound can be understood, perceived in some different ways...i have that suspection.
So....audition may be something very subjective and selfish thing.
The A to B listening will show, for you, clearly and without doubts, the one that match your needs.
And this is considered by yourself, as the better option...or the better sound...for yourself, or course.
Beeing fast and blind...not time to adjustments....not time to dream with the music, not time to discover if you like the music or not...not personal things will interfere....using tones and noises and sound effects you can compare what you are listening with the nature sounds...rain, thunder, claps made by humans, raindrops falling over leafes, over cement, over roof...all those things have easy real life references and you may perceive if real or not comparing them real time....
Now a days with digital recording from computer and other machines, you can prepare a good audio recording from your rain and reproduce when the rain have not finished...you can compare and you will perceive all i am telling about comparison.
regards,
Carlos
Also we do not know if we see the same as others.
Since we were very young we watch some colour and daddy or mom, or teacher, or friends told us.
- "This is yellow"
And that "thing" we observe was called yellow....... but i could see a different colour there and call it yellow, because i have learn that way...i can see different yellow or even another colour name......and we go living and communicating.
If you see yellow as blue:
- Please man....hold the yellow cube and bring it to me!
You, the blue vision one, will pick the blue cube, the one you call as yellow and you will offer it to the one asked...you can be "normal"...even not beeing completelly "normal".
This may explain our different tastes about a lot of subjects....vision, flavour and sound can be understood, perceived in some different ways...i have that suspection.
So....audition may be something very subjective and selfish thing.
The A to B listening will show, for you, clearly and without doubts, the one that match your needs.
And this is considered by yourself, as the better option...or the better sound...for yourself, or course.
Beeing fast and blind...not time to adjustments....not time to dream with the music, not time to discover if you like the music or not...not personal things will interfere....using tones and noises and sound effects you can compare what you are listening with the nature sounds...rain, thunder, claps made by humans, raindrops falling over leafes, over cement, over roof...all those things have easy real life references and you may perceive if real or not comparing them real time....
Now a days with digital recording from computer and other machines, you can prepare a good audio recording from your rain and reproduce when the rain have not finished...you can compare and you will perceive all i am telling about comparison.
regards,
Carlos
Hi Sheldon.
I see Carlos has replied whilst I was writing this, but no matter -
Just a personal point here - - I think all that introverted namby-pamby statistics stuff has nothing to do with audio reproduction.
If you were hearing me in real life you would be hearing expletives, because I call a spade a spade, get over it and move on to do something worthwhile.
When it comes to building any sound reproduction system it is more importantant to choose equipments that work well *together*, in the desired listening area, and for a preferred type of music within the physical constraints imposed by space, cost and style.
Thus a universally 'best' or 'ideal' or 'perfect' sounding amplifier cannot be chosen because A-B testing cannot be dissociated from the real world constraints imposed by the interconnected equipment, the room etc !!!
Getting back to this thread, Carlos has checked out circuit essentials for a design that most people can almost literally 'throw together' using whatever is available.
He has examined everyone else's designs and suggestions for making the circuit better, but has not been swayed to include theorectical 'improvements' if they did not actually sound right. Thus he reports that complexity is not essential, and he leaves us with a simple low cost circuit that could be a youth project anywhere in the world.
And this is so essential these days - to get the world's youngsters 'hands-on' to something they will learn from and enjoy socially, instead of for example being 'hands-on' to socially isolating game controls.
I see Carlos has replied whilst I was writing this, but no matter -
Just a personal point here - - I think all that introverted namby-pamby statistics stuff has nothing to do with audio reproduction.
If you were hearing me in real life you would be hearing expletives, because I call a spade a spade, get over it and move on to do something worthwhile.
When it comes to building any sound reproduction system it is more importantant to choose equipments that work well *together*, in the desired listening area, and for a preferred type of music within the physical constraints imposed by space, cost and style.
Thus a universally 'best' or 'ideal' or 'perfect' sounding amplifier cannot be chosen because A-B testing cannot be dissociated from the real world constraints imposed by the interconnected equipment, the room etc !!!
Getting back to this thread, Carlos has checked out circuit essentials for a design that most people can almost literally 'throw together' using whatever is available.
He has examined everyone else's designs and suggestions for making the circuit better, but has not been swayed to include theorectical 'improvements' if they did not actually sound right. Thus he reports that complexity is not essential, and he leaves us with a simple low cost circuit that could be a youth project anywhere in the world.
And this is so essential these days - to get the world's youngsters 'hands-on' to something they will learn from and enjoy socially, instead of for example being 'hands-on' to socially isolating game controls.
Graham,
True enough, can't disagree with you at all!
BUT, the world demands ever higher standards in every consumer field. To sell, designs have to become ever more sophisticated, as the consumers want it all..... it ain't easy.
Cheers,
Hugh
True enough, can't disagree with you at all!
BUT, the world demands ever higher standards in every consumer field. To sell, designs have to become ever more sophisticated, as the consumers want it all..... it ain't easy.
Cheers,
Hugh
Yes Hugh....of course all i am saying can make sense to diy people...those guys that
wants to try by themselves, to construct and see their own "son" sounding.
Beeing very simple for them, inexpensive too.
Indicated to beginners, to the ones are not working, to the ones have not money...those guys that want to burn their fingers and that may not have money to pay a top end quality, customised, amplifier.
Those things cannot be applied to your world, a business world, were people wants perfect appearance, beauty, performance, customised things, well...all those things are atractive to people.
The ones that can pay to Top performance exclusive designs can go to many options, beeing your option one of the best i can suggest to someone.
And as i have said, not once, but many times, my Dx amplifier do not sounds with the excelence of your Nirvana, even having something that can remember it, as tophologie for instance, but mine do not include the results of your long research, the modifications you have done, the exclusive selection of parts you are making personally, constructing by yourself the units, testing, adjusting and selling them already constructed...when you can give 100 percent guarantee of top hi end quality.
I have no intention to use your circuits, as i think was already made, people can find this top performance in your units.
I am showing them that this topologie is one of the best sounding ones, easy ones to construct and adjust, that can work with cheap parts without destroy the sound entirelly and that can be tested using A to B testing that will show that will not be ashamed by no one!...even more modern circuits...to show them that the distance from simple ones to hi performance units are not so enormous as people may imagine....but hard to realise that top performance...reason why i think that people have to pay to obtain Lamborghini performance.....if not they can go with Vokswagen Golf.
Also, those ones that can buy, and want to have a Lamborghini, will never want to receive them as a kit...they do not want to construct nothing!...they want to order a service man to work hard and sweat for them...they want just to pay and keep their hands clean and without burns.....but maybe you will find someone that wants that Volkswagen in a kit, if this kit represent some economy related their small money reserve.
Two different worlds, rules are different, customers different too.....in diy communitty, simple, cheap and kits may be interesting...and this Hugh, was your past, not your presence and i think will not be your future.
thanks to join us.
regards,
Carlos
wants to try by themselves, to construct and see their own "son" sounding.
Beeing very simple for them, inexpensive too.
Indicated to beginners, to the ones are not working, to the ones have not money...those guys that want to burn their fingers and that may not have money to pay a top end quality, customised, amplifier.
Those things cannot be applied to your world, a business world, were people wants perfect appearance, beauty, performance, customised things, well...all those things are atractive to people.
The ones that can pay to Top performance exclusive designs can go to many options, beeing your option one of the best i can suggest to someone.
And as i have said, not once, but many times, my Dx amplifier do not sounds with the excelence of your Nirvana, even having something that can remember it, as tophologie for instance, but mine do not include the results of your long research, the modifications you have done, the exclusive selection of parts you are making personally, constructing by yourself the units, testing, adjusting and selling them already constructed...when you can give 100 percent guarantee of top hi end quality.
I have no intention to use your circuits, as i think was already made, people can find this top performance in your units.
I am showing them that this topologie is one of the best sounding ones, easy ones to construct and adjust, that can work with cheap parts without destroy the sound entirelly and that can be tested using A to B testing that will show that will not be ashamed by no one!...even more modern circuits...to show them that the distance from simple ones to hi performance units are not so enormous as people may imagine....but hard to realise that top performance...reason why i think that people have to pay to obtain Lamborghini performance.....if not they can go with Vokswagen Golf.
Also, those ones that can buy, and want to have a Lamborghini, will never want to receive them as a kit...they do not want to construct nothing!...they want to order a service man to work hard and sweat for them...they want just to pay and keep their hands clean and without burns.....but maybe you will find someone that wants that Volkswagen in a kit, if this kit represent some economy related their small money reserve.
Two different worlds, rules are different, customers different too.....in diy communitty, simple, cheap and kits may be interesting...and this Hugh, was your past, not your presence and i think will not be your future.
thanks to join us.
regards,
Carlos
I think theres a problem related the most precise amplifiers.
those perfect ones.... perfect waveshape, not distortion, no noises....a perfect tracker, related the input waveshape.
I would like to ask you some folks:
Have you listened a violine?.... say, the awfull scratching sound it produces when you are near?
Have you listened to a Saxophone?...could you see the cracked bamboo sonics?
Have you listened to a drum..... sounding alike a car crash when distant?
Do you want to listen the air breath that will come from a flute?
Well guys, do you really want that perfection?
If you want that, try your units in A to B comparison....and them compare the elected one with the real sounding source.
If you want some warmth, nice good sonics, you may have to accept some losses in perfection, as perfection, sometimes can be terrible.
Go to see a band, in a small park.... inside a city, with constructions around.... children will be crying, parrot people will be talking too much loud, some of them screaming to call someone around.... some car horns, a lot of audio reflections in surrounding walls...too much people, because of clothings, may turn some instruments mufled...you may be near the drum and distant from the metals...sound may be bassy to your position...well...this is real world.
The warm feeling to leave in society, to belong to a group, having people around...the tribe, the social goup..this will make this alive experience so great...because the sound....aaaagh!
In the studio they use to correct, balance tones, equalize levels, reduce reverberation (or the opposite)...and this results in something nice..... a complete low fidelity thing.
We have to know what we want.....i want perfection to my knowledge brain department.....knowing that, i will jump to another sound...the most nice to listen...as i have figured out that the perfection is not that nice as i was dreaming.
A perfect woman may love for reproduction purposes maybe, as other needs are too much animal to humans, she may think.
A perfect beaf will have not much salt...just roasted and ready..compare it with some condimented steak, and tell me with one is the better one.
Also i think, that i am not delirating, i am stricly inside the forum rails...Do it yourself is our subject.... i am also telling you to evaluate by yourself and a natural consequence.
There are many guys that wants a "design by yourself"...also those ones will be satisfied in our forum.
Other...."write youself a review"...others are "redesign everything you see"....well..."simulate everything"..we have all departments in our nice world...our forum....where crazy folks join together to produce some fun.
Oh!...i forgot...we have also three of four bricks...searching for holes to enter.... a wall with some brick missed..and them they enter there....hehe...flying bricks!
Ahahaha...i cannot be responsable for your imagination...things clearly described in the sketch.
regards,
Carlos
those perfect ones.... perfect waveshape, not distortion, no noises....a perfect tracker, related the input waveshape.
I would like to ask you some folks:
Have you listened a violine?.... say, the awfull scratching sound it produces when you are near?
Have you listened to a Saxophone?...could you see the cracked bamboo sonics?
Have you listened to a drum..... sounding alike a car crash when distant?
Do you want to listen the air breath that will come from a flute?
Well guys, do you really want that perfection?
If you want that, try your units in A to B comparison....and them compare the elected one with the real sounding source.
If you want some warmth, nice good sonics, you may have to accept some losses in perfection, as perfection, sometimes can be terrible.
Go to see a band, in a small park.... inside a city, with constructions around.... children will be crying, parrot people will be talking too much loud, some of them screaming to call someone around.... some car horns, a lot of audio reflections in surrounding walls...too much people, because of clothings, may turn some instruments mufled...you may be near the drum and distant from the metals...sound may be bassy to your position...well...this is real world.
The warm feeling to leave in society, to belong to a group, having people around...the tribe, the social goup..this will make this alive experience so great...because the sound....aaaagh!
In the studio they use to correct, balance tones, equalize levels, reduce reverberation (or the opposite)...and this results in something nice..... a complete low fidelity thing.
We have to know what we want.....i want perfection to my knowledge brain department.....knowing that, i will jump to another sound...the most nice to listen...as i have figured out that the perfection is not that nice as i was dreaming.
A perfect woman may love for reproduction purposes maybe, as other needs are too much animal to humans, she may think.
A perfect beaf will have not much salt...just roasted and ready..compare it with some condimented steak, and tell me with one is the better one.
Also i think, that i am not delirating, i am stricly inside the forum rails...Do it yourself is our subject.... i am also telling you to evaluate by yourself and a natural consequence.
There are many guys that wants a "design by yourself"...also those ones will be satisfied in our forum.
Other...."write youself a review"...others are "redesign everything you see"....well..."simulate everything"..we have all departments in our nice world...our forum....where crazy folks join together to produce some fun.
Oh!...i forgot...we have also three of four bricks...searching for holes to enter.... a wall with some brick missed..and them they enter there....hehe...flying bricks!
Ahahaha...i cannot be responsable for your imagination...things clearly described in the sketch.
regards,
Carlos
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As long as the high flying bricks don't knock the whole wall down !
Hi Hugh,
I had thought of your designs during this thread because I know that you too have honed the performance of your own amplifiers by listening to not only different circuit architecture and topology generated effects, but to different types of the same value component.
Higher standards . sophistication . the customer might demand it all, but what then will s/he be enjoying ? the music ?
Also we could all post up a circuit that we know will work well if constructed as the designer intend, but by the time someone else constructs it using components from different suppliers, the results could be quite disappointing. Would that be the fault of the designer's circuit ?
As with Carlos' violin example I think that the more specialised the build - the more likely that non-original components and constructions will sound different.
So much for simulation !
Take our own 'listening test' situation here last weekend.
My son has an almost new VW Golf Mk5. He complained that the radio sounded very bongy. I listened and must say that although the radio/CD is very neatly integrated as a part of the dashboard, it produces one of the worst sounds I have ever heard in a car.
I had a pair of Kenwood KFC-6970ie 6x9 4 ways, (which on my own GEM amplifier put many supposedly Hi-Fi loudspeakers in the shade for clarity and power, thus highly recommended and only £35 on some UK websites) so we set about tracing harness wiring and mounted the speakers in the (flimsy) rear shelf.
Such an improvement, but the clarity of the sound was still rubbish !
Some poor lad working on his own might have thought the Kenwood speakers inadequate, but we here all know just how good the Kenwoods are, and that it is the head unit and wiring that really needs to be replaced as well ! (Some day !)
Hi Hugh,
I had thought of your designs during this thread because I know that you too have honed the performance of your own amplifiers by listening to not only different circuit architecture and topology generated effects, but to different types of the same value component.
Higher standards . sophistication . the customer might demand it all, but what then will s/he be enjoying ? the music ?
Also we could all post up a circuit that we know will work well if constructed as the designer intend, but by the time someone else constructs it using components from different suppliers, the results could be quite disappointing. Would that be the fault of the designer's circuit ?
As with Carlos' violin example I think that the more specialised the build - the more likely that non-original components and constructions will sound different.
So much for simulation !
Take our own 'listening test' situation here last weekend.
My son has an almost new VW Golf Mk5. He complained that the radio sounded very bongy. I listened and must say that although the radio/CD is very neatly integrated as a part of the dashboard, it produces one of the worst sounds I have ever heard in a car.
I had a pair of Kenwood KFC-6970ie 6x9 4 ways, (which on my own GEM amplifier put many supposedly Hi-Fi loudspeakers in the shade for clarity and power, thus highly recommended and only £35 on some UK websites) so we set about tracing harness wiring and mounted the speakers in the (flimsy) rear shelf.
Such an improvement, but the clarity of the sound was still rubbish !
Some poor lad working on his own might have thought the Kenwood speakers inadequate, but we here all know just how good the Kenwoods are, and that it is the head unit and wiring that really needs to be replaced as well ! (Some day !)
Re: I think theres a problem related the most precise amplifiers.
Now this new word, delirating, I like a lot - a word not found in any current dictionary, but perfectly descriptive.
Sheldon
destroyer X said:
Now this new word, delirating, I like a lot - a word not found in any current dictionary, but perfectly descriptive.
Sheldon
Oh my God!...another crazy word to my list.
i was thinking that this expression had existance in English...delirium in Latim, delírio in Portuguese and maybe in Spanish too.
Well, at least you understood Sheldon.
Thanks by the aproval of the new word
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To Graham
Yes, we had Hugh that visited us... a very rare moment, but i am sure he is not tracking the forum constantly, he has a lot of things to do...many happy sells he is making....and those things gives him hard work....he is doing almost everything by himself, say, all the critical moments of construction is made by him...very busy.
regards,
Carlos
i was thinking that this expression had existance in English...delirium in Latim, delírio in Portuguese and maybe in Spanish too.
Well, at least you understood Sheldon.
Thanks by the aproval of the new word
..............................................................
To Graham
Yes, we had Hugh that visited us... a very rare moment, but i am sure he is not tracking the forum constantly, he has a lot of things to do...many happy sells he is making....and those things gives him hard work....he is doing almost everything by himself, say, all the critical moments of construction is made by him...very busy.
regards,
Carlos
We using English have stolen the word "delirium" from the Latin and use it, and aren't giving it back!!! hahahaha,
but I don't think we have a word for "deliriumating" We just say "I was in a delirium"
delirating is better though - seems to me like a combo of hallucinating and being in a delirium - perfect!!! 😀
but I don't think we have a word for "deliriumating" We just say "I was in a delirium"
delirating is better though - seems to me like a combo of hallucinating and being in a delirium - perfect!!! 😀
Variac said:
Concur, but I think we should consider changing the spelling a bit, to deliriating. Rolls of the tongue a bit easier.
Sheldon
edit: I like your analysis. Hallucinating is something not necessarily apparent externally, while someone who is described as delirious exhibits speach and behavior that suggests an incoherent inner state. So deliriating is a perfect combination.
At last those crazy things made sense for you..thank you.
Thank you Sheldon, Graham (that use to read my crazy words) and Variac too.... Also Hugh Dean loves those things, i feel shy, as he is an English language teacher.
I remember when i was inside some circle of people that have studied english, and trying to express some sentences one each other for fun...when people fall down from the chair when i said something alike:
Surelly....from sure....in some certain manner.
Certainly...from certain...the same meaning for me.
They laugh(ed) a lot...and i do not know what is rigth or what is wrong sice that day....was more than 20 years ago...they told that one of them was rigth and other was terrible wrong.
As i perceive that i could communicate with people, even this funny way...i had not too much worries to find what is rigth or wrong..to make people laugh is interesting too...so...i continue not knowing, and for sure, making more mistakes.
Laugh together use to make good permanent friends.
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Surelly the Dx amplifier will satisfy you...try it!
regards.
Carlos
Thank you Sheldon, Graham (that use to read my crazy words) and Variac too.... Also Hugh Dean loves those things, i feel shy, as he is an English language teacher.
I remember when i was inside some circle of people that have studied english, and trying to express some sentences one each other for fun...when people fall down from the chair when i said something alike:
Surelly....from sure....in some certain manner.
Certainly...from certain...the same meaning for me.
They laugh(ed) a lot...and i do not know what is rigth or what is wrong sice that day....was more than 20 years ago...they told that one of them was rigth and other was terrible wrong.
As i perceive that i could communicate with people, even this funny way...i had not too much worries to find what is rigth or wrong..to make people laugh is interesting too...so...i continue not knowing, and for sure, making more mistakes.
Laugh together use to make good permanent friends.
......................................................................................
Surelly the Dx amplifier will satisfy you...try it!
regards.
Carlos
Re: At last those crazy things made sense for you..thank you.
I wasn't laughing (smiling, yes), and I doubt that Variac was either. I think your use of the language is quite inventive and refreshing.
The amp looks good too. I like the simplicity and don't doubt that it sounds very nice. If a friend asks for an amp, I will build that one.
Sheldon
destroyer X said:
I wasn't laughing (smiling, yes), and I doubt that Variac was either. I think your use of the language is quite inventive and refreshing.
The amp looks good too. I like the simplicity and don't doubt that it sounds very nice. If a friend asks for an amp, I will build that one.
Sheldon
Dx Corporation (ahahahah) thank you by the preference
Thank you Sheldon.
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Graham:
Do you think this trimmer will be good enougth to adjust the feedback line capacitor?
It is not more than 15 pf i think....not sure...but if small this way i can install a 10 pf fixed unit in parallel.
What do you think....hummmm...this one seems to be not a very good component...but i have not those Hammarlund i had early past...i gave them to friends.
regards,
Carlos
Thank you Sheldon.
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Graham:
Do you think this trimmer will be good enougth to adjust the feedback line capacitor?
It is not more than 15 pf i think....not sure...but if small this way i can install a 10 pf fixed unit in parallel.
What do you think....hummmm...this one seems to be not a very good component...but i have not those Hammarlund i had early past...i gave them to friends.
regards,
Carlos
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make a go for it.
you can of course put one fixed value cap in parallel
with this little goodie
to get your desired capacitance span
trimmers are not often used
better is trial and error, by changing small film caps
If carefully mounted in a good way
in my opinion
it will work
lineup 🙂
you can of course put one fixed value cap in parallel
with this little goodie
to get your desired capacitance span
trimmers are not often used
better is trial and error, by changing small film caps
If carefully mounted in a good way
in my opinion
it will work
lineup 🙂
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