Cotton OCC 5N Silver Interconnect Cables

The most important measurement by far, is the shield end-to-end resistance.
The best cables have 0.008 Ohms per meter or less.
(It takes a good 4 terminal Ohm-meter to measure that low)
or pass a known current along the screen and measure the end to end voltage drop.
0r008 passing 1.000A will show 8.0mV
Two significant figures is better than 0.008ohms which is only one significant figure if the dedicated milli-ohm meter is that accurate.
 
Mainly shield was not problematic. But i had sometimes some problems at other setups. There shield must be done. But shield often reduce dynamic..that was what my ears told me 🙂

Is the shield connected to the ground at some point or is it just floating?
Some manufacturers use the floating shield adequately spaced from signal conductors.
That is worth further experimenting.

10 years ago i also tried Dielectric biasing like Audioquest. Difference is hearable but no revolution on my system.

Once upon a time there was a thread here which has been deleted in the meantime.
That implementation of dielectric biasing was very, very successful.
 
Is the shield connected to the ground at some point or is it just floating?
Some manufacturers use the floating shield adequately spaced from signal conductors.
That is worth further experimenting.
A true shield is an extension of the enclosure. An example of this would be the shield around a twisted pair. The shield is connected to the enclosure at both ends.
Once upon a time there was a thread here which has been deleted in the meantime.
That implementation of dielectric biasing was very, very successful.
Which are you referring to?
The dielectric between the signal cores, or the dielectric between signal and shield?
 
A true shield is an extension of the enclosure. An example of this would be the shield around a twisted pair. The shield is connected to the enclosure at both ends. Which are you referring to?
Chord Chameleon VEE 3 stereo RCA interconnect The Chord Company
"...fully floating high frequency effective, high density braid and foil shielding..."
I owned that cable (older version) and checked that fact. It was true. Shield was not connected to anything.

The dielectric between the signal cores, or the dielectric between signal and shield?
Originally Posted by androa76 View Post
10 years ago i also tried Dielectric biasing like Audioquest. Difference is hearable but no revolution on my system.

http://www.audioquest.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/DBS.pdf
 
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A true shield is an extension of the enclosure. An example of this would be the shield around a twisted pair. The shield is connected to the enclosure at both ends.

I am not arguing with you Andrew, I am just sharing an information that someone could maybe comment or explain in order to encourage the further experimenting (diying).

I had several Van Den Hul Cables (D102, D300, First, First Ultimate).

For D102 and D300 (terminated by Serbian authorized seller) shield was for some reason connected to one end.

VDH also advocates this for the RCA connection of some models in its technical paper.

http://www.vandenhul.com/download/CAwdEAwUUkNEW0I=
 
euro21 said:
Measurement of five 0.7m interconnect with DER EE LCR meter:

1.) Belden 1964A coax with Canare crimped RCA (shielded);
2.) Mogami 2534 -quad- with Neutrik Profi RCA (shielded);
3.) Twisted Belden 89259 coax inner cores (teflon), Neutrik RCA (unshielded);
4.) VhAudio style 1/4 inch teflon core, dual helix -28 AWG silver/3cotton-, Eichmann silver RCA (unshielded);
5.) VhAudio style 1/4 inch teflon core, dual helix -28 AWG silver/3cotton-, Eichmann silver RCA (shielded -phono-);


number 1kHz 100kHz
1 1.1uH 1.059uH
54.1pF 53.99pF
0.031Ohm

2 1.0uH 1.026uH
185pF 185pF
0.043Ohm

3 1.2uH 1.18uH
38.8pF 38.76pF
0.054Ohm

4 1.4uH 1.459uH
32.3pF 30.25pF
0.242Ohm

5 1.4uH 1.376uH
78.5pF 61.87pF
0.220Ohm
2 has unusually high capacitance - don't use long lengths with a high source impedance
4 and 5 have rather high resistance - not high enough to do any damage, but perhaps a sign of peculiar construction?
1 and 3 are what cables should look like

Now let me guess: the electrically inferior cables are the most expensive?
 
If you say so.

I won't argue with moderator :innocent:

Just a note: You can argue with SY as much as you like. He posts as a normal user and should be treated as such. All mods have to 'power up' to go into mod mode. You will see a cop hat when he does that.

Mods do not moderate threads they are active in from what I undestand. So SY is without any special powers.
 
2 has unusually high capacitance - don't use long lengths with a high source impedance
Hehehe....
Mogami Neglex 2534 was the most used instrumental cable in analogue studios...do you know 600R symmetrical...

1 and 3 are what cables should look like
1.) Belden 1964A is true 75R cable with 75R connectors. I use it as SPDIF cable. As interconnect it has mediocre presentation.
3.) This is my "second line" interconnect (used for about ten years). Better than most of boutique interconnects, but not as refined as silver ones.

4 and 5 have rather high resistance - not high enough to do any damage, but perhaps a sign of peculiar construction?
Its has about 3-3.5 feet 28 AWG spiralled silver conductor in both (hot and cold) sides.

The shielded one is my interconnect between MC transformer and phono. The shield (99% covered copper) is "floating" type, only MM phono side grounded.
The unshielded is my usually used interconnect between my tube preamp and tube amplifier.


Now let me guess: the electrically inferior cables are the most expensive?
No, the Mogami is one of the cheapest. 🙂
 
euro21 said:
As interconnect it has mediocre presentation.
I have no idea what this means. I assume you do not mean it gives boring speeches?

but not as refined as silver ones.
I have no idea what this means. I assume you were not referring to metal ore refining?

A few tens of metres of high capacitance cable could affect treble in a domestic system. Hopefully in a studio the sources are well-engineered and can cope? Of course, originally '600 ohm line' really was 600 ohm as the telephone people added the necessary inductors to define impedance and reduce dispersion. I guess in most studios it is not, so cable which is nothing like a real 600 ohm line can be used.
 
The OP's cables will have unusually high inductance and unusually low capacitance, and unusually high sensitivity to interference. For an interconnect it is unlikely that inductance will be an issue. Low capacitance will only be an issue if the cable is unusually long for a domestic system, or if the source has unusually high output impedance - the latter is most likely in an 'audiophile' system. So the change in geometry may be exposing incompetence in the source design. Genuine cable fussiness is a sign of poor equipment design.

Direct effects of geometry on signals only apply when the geometry is commensurate in length with the wavelength of the signal - not relevant for audio.

I think low capacitance cables are better, also shorter better. Please could you elaborate?