I agree. Everyone is free 🙂
On my humble side, I have the chance that audio is my hobby too, so I have no professional pressure on it, and have the time to try different things in order to listen to them. Even if I make slow progress, I do have them since 😎
A subtle improvement can be a MAJOR thing that changes everything.
Best,
nAr
Cheers for the info, and references.Facing major cut backs at work next week so I will be concentrating on other things
Hi
Very nice project, I specially like the cotton strap, very good idea but where is the interferences shielding ? I just finished this speaker cotton silver project, with a carbon shielding.
https://flic.kr/s/aHskxEGWnt
I agree for the cotton silver sound, airy, natural, without any sssss ou zzzz in the same color high frequencies. The solid core makes the difference.
Plus plenty of details never heard before : back vocals, drums, cymbals.
Regards.
Nyamuk
Very nice project, I specially like the cotton strap, very good idea but where is the interferences shielding ? I just finished this speaker cotton silver project, with a carbon shielding.
https://flic.kr/s/aHskxEGWnt
I agree for the cotton silver sound, airy, natural, without any sssss ou zzzz in the same color high frequencies. The solid core makes the difference.
Plus plenty of details never heard before : back vocals, drums, cymbals.
Regards.
Nyamuk
Thanks, Kleen!
Your speaker cotton silver project is amazing. How do they sound?
With regard to the shielding, there is none. Chris (who introduces this recipe) says that the cables are suitable for areas that don't have much interference problem. In fact, I don't have the noise problem. I have also built and used other similar designs without any noise problem either.
Cheers!
Your speaker cotton silver project is amazing. How do they sound?
With regard to the shielding, there is none. Chris (who introduces this recipe) says that the cables are suitable for areas that don't have much interference problem. In fact, I don't have the noise problem. I have also built and used other similar designs without any noise problem either.
Cheers!
Should we demand that any of Nar's posts that refer to his "product" be moved into an appropriate "Vendor" section?
Zombie thread, zombie thread etc...
The posted link shows what you need to make your own, so IMHO its DIY.
The posted link shows what you need to make your own, so IMHO its DIY.
Amazing that one guy posts positive results ( which mirror my own results with VH Audio's fine silver DIY construction) and what follows is 9 pages of theory. One can be sure I won't post my results here.
The OP posted positive sighted impressions, not "results". They were not "results" because it was not established that what he thought he heard was real and actually caused by the cables.
OK, but what did the 9 pages of theoretical oneupsmanship do to further what the OP wanted to discuss? I think, once again, the experts are so busy with the debate, the OP has left the building.
Which part of his post led you to discount what he said he heard? I heard exactly the same kind of difference when I replaced my DIY shielded pair with the pair built much like the OP. Less congestion, more extended upper frequencies and better instrument separation.
Sentences 2, 3 and 4; especially 2 and 4. It is simply not possible for a mere change in cable to produce an "amazing" change in sound, unless the original cable is faulty.WntrMute2 said:
Two possible things going on here:
1. a true believer in silver cables will always hear an improvement when he puts silver in
2. an electrically poor cable (like that shown in this thread - which appears to be an unscreened widely spaced weakly twisted twin) will pick up more interference than a good cable; this interference can be misinterpreted as extra detail
To increase the inductance.
That increase will be measurable.
That measurable increase in inductance will affect performance.
Will the change in performance be measurable?
Will the change in performance be audible?
Would a true non-believer similarly fail to hear a difference as well?
I replaced a twisted silver coated copper pair, well shielded cable I made with a pair of VH audio recipe fine silver wire ones and there is quite a difference for the better in my system. I was hoping my new wire would not be better as they are expensive and harder to make than my prior ones, but the difference is easily audible to most. There is no interference that I can pick up. The system is in a deep basement with few interfering sources. Now mine are twisted about twice as tightly as the OPs and I use Chris's foamed Teflon core. Both cables use the same ProFi Neutrik RCAs.
I replaced a twisted silver coated copper pair, well shielded cable I made with a pair of VH audio recipe fine silver wire ones and there is quite a difference for the better in my system. I was hoping my new wire would not be better as they are expensive and harder to make than my prior ones, but the difference is easily audible to most. There is no interference that I can pick up. The system is in a deep basement with few interfering sources. Now mine are twisted about twice as tightly as the OPs and I use Chris's foamed Teflon core. Both cables use the same ProFi Neutrik RCAs.
Hi Kamloopsalman
Here are the first feedback & listening impressions, I tried these cables first on my audio system & then tried on the audio system of a Rémy, a friend of mine.
- 1st Tap: Full of details that jump to the ears but feel duty optimize the level settings between channels (which was confirmed at Rémy thereafter).
After a day of testing all is perfect.
Everything is readable without effort, no hifi feeling, complete consistency, no put forward or back, a lot of air, obvious differences between the sound recording, analog or digital,
clear spacing of the layers of sound, very natural and detailed highs on cymbals and drums.
the background level of detail that surprised because never heard : back vocals, percussion, xylophone, piano, bass line ...
There is not nuance, it's on vinyl or CD that I know by heart and I listened for more than 20 years before they were simply not there, now they are there and that's obvious, of course.
At cable here I thought to be very well I'm quite surprised to find in such a gap.
The afternoon before landing at Rémy I made a total live and ouch: unknown environments, the applause finally complete, in matter, percussion hand, the reverberation of the room,
that sensation of feeling the air vibrate as true.
The microphone color and sound recordings are very different, immediately, and I discovered a possibility to push the very high level without any stress or feeling of saturation.
Chez Remy:
1 - Connection of two pairs of DIY bottom and midrange medium.
I warn that these cables are optimized acute medium.
First listening: full of details that arise naturally, air, ultra-readable sound planes, surprised its share of decay of notes and messages resonances but a little too thin.
2 - On DIY guard acute medium and installing the Wildwood down medium. I warn adjust levels, he expects to do.
Immediately all previous qualities but almost perfect balance, after 1.3db less on the lower midrange balance jumps to our ears and there is simply music,
hifi has disappeared and the watch showed not limit it would not stop. We end on the first Dire Straits album in HD.
3 - Back to a full Tara labs. It is very homogeneous medium but in my opinion, the air is very thin, the message is clearly more compact and rough, shades have disappeared, in acute as for harmonics.
Back home.
Happy to have communion on the same sensations at the same time, I spend an hour to clean the contacts, re-crimp the lugs, to fight against this Wildwood who stupidly massive and disproportionate forks
(Everyone does not have KMA250 or Mk Levinson).
I rekindled scrutinizing whether the feelings were not corrupted or perverted by listening to Remy.
Well no, immediately music is back, the Hifi disappeared, low level same pleasant than very strong.
Here are the first feedback & listening impressions, I tried these cables first on my audio system & then tried on the audio system of a Rémy, a friend of mine.
- 1st Tap: Full of details that jump to the ears but feel duty optimize the level settings between channels (which was confirmed at Rémy thereafter).
After a day of testing all is perfect.
Everything is readable without effort, no hifi feeling, complete consistency, no put forward or back, a lot of air, obvious differences between the sound recording, analog or digital,
clear spacing of the layers of sound, very natural and detailed highs on cymbals and drums.
the background level of detail that surprised because never heard : back vocals, percussion, xylophone, piano, bass line ...
There is not nuance, it's on vinyl or CD that I know by heart and I listened for more than 20 years before they were simply not there, now they are there and that's obvious, of course.
At cable here I thought to be very well I'm quite surprised to find in such a gap.
The afternoon before landing at Rémy I made a total live and ouch: unknown environments, the applause finally complete, in matter, percussion hand, the reverberation of the room,
that sensation of feeling the air vibrate as true.
The microphone color and sound recordings are very different, immediately, and I discovered a possibility to push the very high level without any stress or feeling of saturation.
Chez Remy:
1 - Connection of two pairs of DIY bottom and midrange medium.
I warn that these cables are optimized acute medium.
First listening: full of details that arise naturally, air, ultra-readable sound planes, surprised its share of decay of notes and messages resonances but a little too thin.
2 - On DIY guard acute medium and installing the Wildwood down medium. I warn adjust levels, he expects to do.
Immediately all previous qualities but almost perfect balance, after 1.3db less on the lower midrange balance jumps to our ears and there is simply music,
hifi has disappeared and the watch showed not limit it would not stop. We end on the first Dire Straits album in HD.
3 - Back to a full Tara labs. It is very homogeneous medium but in my opinion, the air is very thin, the message is clearly more compact and rough, shades have disappeared, in acute as for harmonics.
Back home.
Happy to have communion on the same sensations at the same time, I spend an hour to clean the contacts, re-crimp the lugs, to fight against this Wildwood who stupidly massive and disproportionate forks
(Everyone does not have KMA250 or Mk Levinson).
I rekindled scrutinizing whether the feelings were not corrupted or perverted by listening to Remy.
Well no, immediately music is back, the Hifi disappeared, low level same pleasant than very strong.
Have you done a blind test to compare? If not occams razor says it all in you mind. I know people hate to believe this, but in nearly all cases it is true.
^ I don't interpret Ocam's razor in the same way as you do. Would not the simplest explaination be different cables of very different geometry sound different? Especially in my case where I built both sets of cables I compared, I had no preconceived belief that I was aware of. And yes, blind testing was done with more than one listener over multiple listening sessions. The capacitance is much lower with the OP's style than the twisted shielded pair. In my system with silver litz wire from cartridge to phono stage and the VH audio designed fine silver wire from phono to preamp, there is a difference in sound that is pleasing to me and others.
Given the choice between
1. You have superhuman hearing against all research in last 100 years
2. Your mind is playing tricks with you
3. Your beautiful hand made cables (and they do look nice) are screwing the sound up to the point its worse.
I know which I would pick. Nothing wrong with making your system a thing of craft made with the sweat of your own brow. But claiming its magical...
1. You have superhuman hearing against all research in last 100 years
2. Your mind is playing tricks with you
3. Your beautiful hand made cables (and they do look nice) are screwing the sound up to the point its worse.
I know which I would pick. Nothing wrong with making your system a thing of craft made with the sweat of your own brow. But claiming its magical...
The OP's cables will have unusually high inductance and unusually low capacitance, and unusually high sensitivity to interference. For an interconnect it is unlikely that inductance will be an issue. Low capacitance will only be an issue if the cable is unusually long for a domestic system, or if the source has unusually high output impedance - the latter is most likely in an 'audiophile' system. So the change in geometry may be exposing incompetence in the source design. Genuine cable fussiness is a sign of poor equipment design.WntrMute2 said:
Direct effects of geometry on signals only apply when the geometry is commensurate in length with the wavelength of the signal - not relevant for audio.