^ & ^^ So both of you are saying that different cables can effect sound it seems though only negatively?
^^ I do not have great or even good hearing. I do know that this style cable sounds better than Kimber Timber, Kimber Hero, mid line Analysis Plus, two types of BJC and a couple of others that escape me at the moment.
I am not one constantly on the search for something better, but this recipe in this system sounds better even under blind testing than others.
A question to you guys. Do all tubes sound the same? Similar tubes from different manufacturers? How about different cartridges of similar construction types? What about SS components of similar construction?
^^ I do not have great or even good hearing. I do know that this style cable sounds better than Kimber Timber, Kimber Hero, mid line Analysis Plus, two types of BJC and a couple of others that escape me at the moment.
I am not one constantly on the search for something better, but this recipe in this system sounds better even under blind testing than others.
A question to you guys. Do all tubes sound the same? Similar tubes from different manufacturers? How about different cartridges of similar construction types? What about SS components of similar construction?
Hi
I'm not super human & could respect & add some 100years research (Western electric used silver & cotton in 1927...). You don't trust me, it' logic, but many people around me listened to these cables and all arrive at the same conclusion, it's simply musical, truly, deeply, & the worst test is to come back.
Next days many French audio addicts will travel & hear this system.
You could read the result on this following link.
Cables hp et de modulation
Regards.
I'm not super human & could respect & add some 100years research (Western electric used silver & cotton in 1927...). You don't trust me, it' logic, but many people around me listened to these cables and all arrive at the same conclusion, it's simply musical, truly, deeply, & the worst test is to come back.
Next days many French audio addicts will travel & hear this system.
You could read the result on this following link.
Cables hp et de modulation
Regards.
Yes. Any electrically sound cable can get a music signal safely from A to B, therefore any change genuinely heard from another cable must be a sign of signal degradation or poor equipment. This is most commonly found with very cheap cables (e.g. poor screening/shielding), very expensive cables (silly design) or DIY cables (silly design). Poor equipment is most likely to be either DIY or incredibly expensive, as normal priced equipment is usually competently-engineered.WntrMute2 said:
Not certain why you are asking this question, except perhaps to expose your limited knowledge of circuits? Tubes may or may not sound the same, depending on the circuit details (e.g. bias point, amount of feedback used, signal level). Irrelevant to whether wires sound the same, as tubes are significantly less ideal in their behaviour than any competent wire. You might as well ask whether all music sounds the same.
Cartridges are electromechanical systems, so even less relevant to the wire issue.
Depends on what you mean by component. BJTs all obey the Ebers-Moll law, so the main difference between them is noise level and power handling. FETs are more like tubes.
Hi
I didn' say these cables sound worst that other great brands like Kimber, Xlo, Mit, but I wanted first to prove it is possible to explore & mix new tech ways, build these cables by myself with top notch components, at 250 USD against 12500USD price for 2 x 3m big brand cable. Then I wanted to share the tech construction. The surprise came when I listened it, I expect it should be good, better than before, but not at this level, I asked to other people & it is the same conclusion, always, sorry.
So if you really want to know by yourself build the same cables (purchase list & knowledge are described) or travel to France listen it ; my Tad horns are too heavy.
Regards.
I didn' say these cables sound worst that other great brands like Kimber, Xlo, Mit, but I wanted first to prove it is possible to explore & mix new tech ways, build these cables by myself with top notch components, at 250 USD against 12500USD price for 2 x 3m big brand cable. Then I wanted to share the tech construction. The surprise came when I listened it, I expect it should be good, better than before, but not at this level, I asked to other people & it is the same conclusion, always, sorry.
So if you really want to know by yourself build the same cables (purchase list & knowledge are described) or travel to France listen it ; my Tad horns are too heavy.
Regards.
If two cables make the system sound different, then that points to only one conclusion: At least one of the cables is screwing with the signal.
Use a standard cable that your know is properly manufactured and has not been damaged.
Use a standard cable that your know is properly manufactured and has not been damaged.
I agree that I am totally ignorant on electronic theory. I cannot even begin to understand much of what you guys are saying. All I know is that this is a better sounding cable than others in my price range. Two tubes of similar construction by different manufacturers sometimes sound different to some but not others. I have heard plenty of people claim that amplifiers all sound the same to them. I was just trying to explore where the two of you were coming from.
I think I'm done though. Interesting.
I think I'm done though. Interesting.
Take our word for it, when comparing tubes to cables you are comparing apples to aardvarks. Experience of one does not easily translate across to experience of the other.
For use in a RF rich environment the cables are more like antennas...rather silly. As to the rest do some measurements and you can see what effect the cables are having on the signal, that's how its done and also perform blind listening tests. For low level analogue signal transmission shielded cable is best and preferably co-ax for single ended signals...
My major concern would be noise pick up and thus possible signal integrity issues.....
My major concern would be noise pick up and thus possible signal integrity issues.....
The level and harmonic content of tube distortion varies surprisingly even between otherwise identical units. Differences between manufacturers can be dramatic. Both are easily measurable.
The good news is props for hearing it.
Well no the quandry. Despite a few hours of having the wife swap cables for me from the interconnects in question to Blue Jean interconnects to Kimber Heroes and to my prior DIY efforts, there is no question that the twisted fine silver interconnects sound better to me as well as to the non- interested spouse. Equipment: Ortofon Jubilee to K&K phonostage to Wright Sound preamp to Transcedant mono block SC150s to Acoustic Zen Adagios. Not high end for sure but not odd ball stuff either. No distortion, no interference, nothing but purer, clearer highs and bass. I don't know what to do. You say it cannot make a difference but even my crappy ears and my wife's far better ones say different. We did single blind testing for a few hours tonight. Help a guy out. The cable between the phonostage and preamp clearly makes a difference.
There is a lot wrong with your method. If you would just state that you prefer your home made cables rather than use audiophool journalist speak everyone would leave you alone. No one can argue with prefer. Same as if you prefer listening to music naked with your feet in buckets of water and bulldog clips on your nipples.
Sorri i missed...which geometry is OP?
I also made several rca cables. And tried it on same Furutech connectors with screw not soldered. I liked solid wires most. Max diameter 0.3mm ...or silver-gold foil of 2-3mm and also mixture of these 2 wires. I have used cotton or teflon or mixture. Mainly shield was not problematic. But i had sometimes some problems at other setups. There shield must be done. But shield often reduce dynamic..that was what my ears told me 🙂
What are yours best diy interconnects? Material if wire, dielectric, geometry... shielding.
10 years ago i also tried Dielectric biasing like Audioquest. Difference is hearable but no revolution on my system.
I also made several rca cables. And tried it on same Furutech connectors with screw not soldered. I liked solid wires most. Max diameter 0.3mm ...or silver-gold foil of 2-3mm and also mixture of these 2 wires. I have used cotton or teflon or mixture. Mainly shield was not problematic. But i had sometimes some problems at other setups. There shield must be done. But shield often reduce dynamic..that was what my ears told me 🙂
What are yours best diy interconnects? Material if wire, dielectric, geometry... shielding.
10 years ago i also tried Dielectric biasing like Audioquest. Difference is hearable but no revolution on my system.
The K&K phonostage appears to use an unusual transformer-coupled output stage. This could be sensitive to the load impedance it sees; even instability might just be a possibility with some impedances. Cable sensitivity is thus not so surprising. The circuit even seems to show a small amount of positive feedback in the output stage - the transformer primary is wired from anode to cathode. At the very least it could be expected that changing the load capacitance would change the frequency response, which could be audible.
Loosely twisted widely spaced unscreened pair, with soft insulation.androa76 said:
Such a cable can be expected to have low capacitance, high inductance, excellent RF pickup abilities, and likely to be somewhat microphonic. In most respects this is the opposite of a good cable.
Thanks for looking into that! However, the difference remains with the different phonostages.
Rjm Phonoclone 3
Hypnotoad AD 797
K&K
So, I really appreciate the information and the insight. Thanks.
Without any comment.
Measurement of five 0.7m interconnect with DER EE LCR meter:
1.) Belden 1964A coax with Canare crimped RCA (shielded);
2.) Mogami 2534 -quad- with Neutrik Profi RCA (shielded);
3.) Twisted Belden 89259 coax inner cores (teflon), Neutrik RCA (unshielded);
4.) VhAudio style 1/4 inch teflon core, dual helix -28 AWG silver/3cotton-, Eichmann silver RCA (unshielded);
5.) VhAudio style 1/4 inch teflon core, dual helix -28 AWG silver/3cotton-, Eichmann silver RCA (shielded -phono-);
number 1kHz 100kHz
1 1.1uH 1.059uH
54.1pF 53.99pF
0.031Ohm
2 1.0uH 1.026uH
185pF 185pF
0.043Ohm
3 1.2uH 1.18uH
38.8pF 38.76pF
0.054Ohm
4 1.4uH 1.459uH
32.3pF 30.25pF
0.242Ohm
5 1.4uH 1.376uH
78.5pF 61.87pF
0.220Ohm
Measurement of five 0.7m interconnect with DER EE LCR meter:
1.) Belden 1964A coax with Canare crimped RCA (shielded);
2.) Mogami 2534 -quad- with Neutrik Profi RCA (shielded);
3.) Twisted Belden 89259 coax inner cores (teflon), Neutrik RCA (unshielded);
4.) VhAudio style 1/4 inch teflon core, dual helix -28 AWG silver/3cotton-, Eichmann silver RCA (unshielded);
5.) VhAudio style 1/4 inch teflon core, dual helix -28 AWG silver/3cotton-, Eichmann silver RCA (shielded -phono-);
number 1kHz 100kHz
1 1.1uH 1.059uH
54.1pF 53.99pF
0.031Ohm
2 1.0uH 1.026uH
185pF 185pF
0.043Ohm
3 1.2uH 1.18uH
38.8pF 38.76pF
0.054Ohm
4 1.4uH 1.459uH
32.3pF 30.25pF
0.242Ohm
5 1.4uH 1.376uH
78.5pF 61.87pF
0.220Ohm
Hey -- I didn't know Apple made aardvarks...!
But my pet Aardvark can clearly hear the difference between cables....