so what's up, how can i get positive results using more complex stimulis like apricot and avacado but can't distinguish any difference with flute and sine?
i've not substituted anything equipment wise and there's a picture of what i'm using to perform the test.
and the scotch doesn't seem to be a factor ( but i'll gladly volunteer for testing on that front! )
i've not substituted anything equipment wise and there's a picture of what i'm using to perform the test.
and the scotch doesn't seem to be a factor ( but i'll gladly volunteer for testing on that front! )
Which is funny because Earl Geddes has repeatedly criticized me for a "if I like it, then it's better" no measurement philosophy. Can't win. 😛
If I had measured before listening I would have bet against hearing a difference. But since Mooly and PMA had done so well on the sine, it was worth a try. No difference for me. I just now tired laptop speakers, still no difference. I do not hear the harmonic, or maybe I hear harmonics of the playback chain masking that of the file.
I still think it is a question of training and if you found a proper volume level you would be able to tell the difference, provided you use headphones in >Sennheiser HD560 class. But not with the $20 earphones.
Hello i listened with audio-technica studio headphones and after with my nos dac and modulus 86 amp.
I prefer the avocado and maybe this is also the original file....
Voice seems better and theres is also difference in the begining with background info....
I prefer the avocado and maybe this is also the original file....
Voice seems better and theres is also difference in the begining with background info....
I think it might be the case of cheap PC speakers system? Quite often I had a feedback of listeners who used the cheapest equipment and reporting dramatic sound differences. To me, it indicated something wrong in the replay chain. Forget the flute test, I repeat it is indistinguishable. Concentrate on the sine test, it should bring a positive result.
It's a shame I can't prove I can hear a difference, I didn't expect to and am happy I can and so easily, I couldn't hear difference with laptop speakers, but headphones, no problem.
I think if I'd done ABX with the original test I would have failed, ie, I could be imagining the difference. The sine, there is no doubt at all, and, to be honest, I'm surprised some can't hear it and think there must be an explanation
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Are you using an internal laptop soundcard, or something else, like an external USB soundcard? I am becoming really curious, because I can repeat the 16/16 result in every test run, with or without Scotch or Martell.
It's odd isn't it 😉 Some can't hear differences that others hear plainly & yet all null results are considered as mounting evidence that there is no audible difference to be found - is it training, is it playback system, is it finding the right excerpt of the music track, is it something else - controls anyone?
There are so many variables (as above) that can affect the audibility of small differences in such listening tests that the only way I can think of to cover these issues is to include controls in the tests.
But this has been said many, many times already & yet these sort of tests still continue & results referred to as if they were a data point in discussions.
But this has been said many, many times already & yet these sort of tests still continue & results referred to as if they were a data point in discussions.
No I haven't listened but does this not make the point even stronger for controls with small differences?
It's 0.64% THD, whilst I can easily hear it with the sine I can't with music, give it a go, knock yourself out.
just got done an attempt at the sine files with my Sony MDR v 600 hphones no discernable difference....
let see what i get on the "fruit" files...
let see what i get on the "fruit" files...
no! there closed back they're my "cue" phones and they've been gigging with me for years!
sorry got do an ABX now...
sorry got do an ABX now...
what do you know, with what most would consider a better means of discerning a difference my score is slightly worse!