Eucy.
you just reminded me , that one of my 6ftx2ft panels in a rigid frame ,is 3mm mdf.
I wanted to compare the MDF with ply.
the performance is similar to the ply.
Steve.
you just reminded me , that one of my 6ftx2ft panels in a rigid frame ,is 3mm mdf.
I wanted to compare the MDF with ply.
the performance is similar to the ply.
Steve.
One thing I did notice with the egg whites ,is that the surface is tacky?
Not sure if that is because of insufficient whisking or I applied too much ?
Or should I have watered down the egg whites a little?
Where the egg whites have soaked in to the surface, I think it is ok ?
Steve.
Not sure if that is because of insufficient whisking or I applied too much ?
Or should I have watered down the egg whites a little?
Where the egg whites have soaked in to the surface, I think it is ok ?
Steve.
Did you whisk until you get peaks like the Himalayas....necessary step for Pavlovas...😂One thing I did notice with the egg whites ,is that the surface is tacky?
Not sure if that is because of insufficient whisking or I applied too much ?
Or should I have watered down the egg whites a little?
Where the egg whites have soaked in to the surface, I think it is ok ?
Steve.
I just had another look at the hidden speaker site and it mentions the uniquely designed acoustic foam ?I haven't read through many posts on this thread over the past weeks, but as I came across a commercial DML product|company I hadn't seen before, I thought it might add to the discussion. Take a look at https://www.hiddensound.ch. The company describes the panels as balsa wood and some type of acoustic foam. Not certain of the exciters yet.
Also if you swipe the pictures you come to a rear view of the panels, which is interesting.
When you think of the price, which includes amps, dsp , sub ,Bluetooth , its not a bad price.
XO is unknown ?
I'd be interested in hearing them at an audio show.
Steve.
Eucy, something tells me you are not taking this seriously!
My 🐔 chickens went to a lot of trouble and pain to lay these eggs and are eggxtremely annoy🐣
When this is proven to be the next unique panel coating , you will end up with egg on your 🤣🤣
Steve
My 🐔 chickens went to a lot of trouble and pain to lay these eggs and are eggxtremely annoy🐣
When this is proven to be the next unique panel coating , you will end up with egg on your 🤣🤣
Steve
Good question...I'm also wondering if the foam is used as an edge mounting to the frame ?
or if it is a fairly rigid mounting ?
or is it more a bending wave panel like the gobel panel
Steve.
Fairly rigid mounting increases the 1st frequnecy of resonance and leads to strong modes after. Due to the small size of the panel and its relative important thickness (4mm), I would expect a king of foam suspension.
Steve, I'm eggstremely apologetic, I was only yolking...😇😂Eucy, something tells me you are not taking this seriously!
My 🐔 chickens went to a lot of trouble and pain to lay these eggs and are eggxtremely annoy🐣
When this is proven to be the next unique panel coating , you will end up with egg on your 🤣🤣
Steve
Yolks apart 😁 they don't sound that bad, I'll have to make another one for a stereo pair.
I ripped the exciter off of a pva coated card for this test🤔
I have the smaller epoxy coated to compare I suppose.
Steve
I ripped the exciter off of a pva coated card for this test🤔
I have the smaller epoxy coated to compare I suppose.
Steve
Christian.
Also in the photo of the rear of the eco panel you can see a black what looks like either an extended foot ring or some sort of pad ?
Steve.
Also in the photo of the rear of the eco panel you can see a black what looks like either an extended foot ring or some sort of pad ?
Steve.
Christian.
Its hard to see on my phone ,but is the larger panel mounted at the sides where the rear bracing is bolted to the frame ?
Steve
Its hard to see on my phone ,but is the larger panel mounted at the sides where the rear bracing is bolted to the frame ?
Steve
The exciters are mounted some distance apart , so I would expect some comb filtering.
Maybe the acoustic foam helps dampen this ?
Steve
Maybe the acoustic foam helps dampen this ?
Steve
Hello SteveAlaska129.
while waiting for the exciter glue to dry on my card panel, i put up my canvas only panels(no ply) and thought i would make a recording for comparison to the other two recordings of another cup of coffee.
there was a dent in the larger canvas panel ,from leaning on another panel i wiped it with a wet sponge and it tightened strait away .
the other smaller panel has a very loose canvas , i did try and tighten it but it was not easy with the exciter already attached !
these both roll off below 300hz but i let them go down to 120 as there is still some useful output .
the TLS roll off at 300hz as usual .
steve.
Sorry for the slow reply. The canvas sounds wonderful. What is the size of this one? And I'm wondering if this is also one of yours?
Pete
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Pete,
As it turns out, the 5 mm Revolution Ply is quite well suited to the "high aspect ratio" approach that I have been investigating. The dashed green line below is the frequency response I got using a 14.25" x 50" revply panel. This is among the best (if not the best) response of all the hundreds of DML responses I have measured.
Revply is unusual in that it is stiffer in the direction perpendicular to the face grain than it is in the direction parallel to the face grain. That results in a particularly high density of natural frequencies when used as a high aspect ratio panel with the face grain running in the long direction of the panel.
The panel is mounted to a frame with 1/2" wide 3M 411 tape around most of the perimeter.
I'd be happy to share more details if you are interested in building something like it. The image below is of a similar construction, but using a different but similarly sized panel.
Eric
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VelericPete,
As it turns out, the 5 mm Revolution Ply is quite well suited to the "high aspect ratio" approach that I have been investigating. The dashed green line below is the frequency response I got using a 14.25" x 50" revply panel. This is among the best (if not the best) response of all the hundreds of DML responses I have measured.
Revply is unusual in that it is stiffer in the direction perpendicular to the face grain than it is in the direction parallel to the face grain. That results in a particularly high density of natural frequencies when used as a high aspect ratio panel with the face grain running in the long direction of the panel.
The panel is mounted to a frame with 1/2" wide 3M 411 tape around most of the perimeter.
I'd be happy to share more details if you are interested in building something like it. The image below is of a similar construction, but using a different but similarly sized panel.
Eric
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Thank you so much for this specs and info on the rev ply. If I give it a try I will defiantly welcome your input
Pete
Hi SteveAlaska129
No that is not me.
The canvas art panel was not my idea, although there is a patent for something similar.
There are now plenty of materials to choose from .
Steve.
How are you coming with the new card panel, Free does have an appeal 😉
Oh and how large are they ?
Pete
Alaska129
i made another recording 😱
the egg whites panel is on the left and the epoxy coated 1mm corrugated card on the right.
this recording has good intimate vocals and rich piano sound.
the panel feels quite heavy and is not as efficient as my other small panels , but it has a good sound.
free does not mean bad, it is as good as any of the other panels in this group.
the size of this panel is 30cmx19cmx1mm at the moment, i will probably round the corners .
i rolled off this panel at250hz as this exciter has a tendency to rub the coils if allowed to wobble too much, its just quicker and easier .
steve.
i made another recording 😱
the egg whites panel is on the left and the epoxy coated 1mm corrugated card on the right.
this recording has good intimate vocals and rich piano sound.
the panel feels quite heavy and is not as efficient as my other small panels , but it has a good sound.
free does not mean bad, it is as good as any of the other panels in this group.
the size of this panel is 30cmx19cmx1mm at the moment, i will probably round the corners .
i rolled off this panel at250hz as this exciter has a tendency to rub the coils if allowed to wobble too much, its just quicker and easier .
steve.
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Steve;oAlaska129
i made another recording 😱
the egg whites panel is on the left and the epoxy coated 1mm corrugated card on the right.
this recording has good intimate vocals and rich piano sound.
the panel feels quite heavy and is not as efficient as my other small panels , but it has a good sound.
free does not mean bad, it is as good as any of the other panels in this group.
the size of this panel is 30cmx19cmx1mm at the moment, i will probably round the corners .
i rolled off this panel at250hz as this exciter has a tendency to rub the coils if allowed to wobble too much, its just quicker and easier .
steve.
Free means resourceful. My taste in music leans towards jazz and blues. Do you think a capacitor base blocker is an option or do we need to use a OX ?
Alaska129B
i made another recording 😱
the egg whites panel is on the left and the epoxy coated 1mm corrugated card on the right.
this recording has good intimate vocals and rich piano sound.
the panel feels quite heavy and is not as efficient as my other small panels , but it has a good sound.
free does not mean bad, it is as good as any of the other panels in this group.
the size of this panel is 30cmx19cmx1mm at the moment, i will probably round the corners .
i rolled off this panel at250hz as this exciter has a tendency to rub the coils if allowed to wobble too much, its just quicker and easier .
steve.
Alaska129.
It is essential to stop destructive low frequencies on dml panels especially small ones.
Even the proplex which can operate down to 40hz ,needs to have a sharp roll off below the 40hz point.
The exciter will still try to play these frequencies even though the panel cannot.
This will also help the power handling of the panel ,exciter.
I have a very flexible digital crossover which allows me to easily change the XO of sub and panel.
I usually have my subs set at 300hz which suits my room, but altar the panels to whatever they can handle without problems.
Capacitors are fine ,but not very flexible.
Steve.
It is essential to stop destructive low frequencies on dml panels especially small ones.
Even the proplex which can operate down to 40hz ,needs to have a sharp roll off below the 40hz point.
The exciter will still try to play these frequencies even though the panel cannot.
This will also help the power handling of the panel ,exciter.
I have a very flexible digital crossover which allows me to easily change the XO of sub and panel.
I usually have my subs set at 300hz which suits my room, but altar the panels to whatever they can handle without problems.
Capacitors are fine ,but not very flexible.
Steve.
Alaska129.
I have recorded and posted all types of music, but the recordings are pretty much lost on this large site, trying to find them is a nightmare.
I still have them on my phone and usually listen to them on my headphones on holiday or while doing the weekly shop 😁
I can't tell the difference from the original recordings.
But they do not sound right played through speakers ?
That is why I recommend to use headphones only.
steve.
I have recorded and posted all types of music, but the recordings are pretty much lost on this large site, trying to find them is a nightmare.
I still have them on my phone and usually listen to them on my headphones on holiday or while doing the weekly shop 😁
I can't tell the difference from the original recordings.
But they do not sound right played through speakers ?
That is why I recommend to use headphones only.
steve.
I just had another look at the hidden speaker site and it mentions the uniquely designed acoustic foam ?
Also if you swipe the pictures you come to a rear view of the panels, which is interesting.
When you think of the price, which includes amps, dsp , sub ,Bluetooth , its not a bad price.
XO is unknown ?
I'd be interested in hearing them at an audio show.
Steve.
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