Zero Feedback Impedance Amplifiers

Lovely - I still wonder how it compares to some known good amplifiers.
People who have heard the system like it:

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After a lot of time spent looking for 'unobtaineum' - and any pspice models for them - I found what appears to be an upgraded IRFP250

Available from RS Components - one of the cheapest of this series

IRFP250MPBF - RDS on 0.075 ohm, Crss 83p , 17 S , Vth 3v

STW34NB20 - RDS on 0.075 ohm, Crss 90p , 17 S , Vth 4v

vs

IRFP250 - RDS on 0.085 ohm , Crss 240p, 12 S


Which is what I'm going to roll with . Somewhere in this long thread is a discussion of the improvement in THD due to the lower Crss of the STW34NB20 , and given the lower Vth and low cost , I'm going to roll with this one .

Hope this helps someone ..

PG
Would IRFP048NPbF work? This is what's being sold with the PASS DIY F6 kits. Although Pd is only 140W vs 180W...
 

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Would IRFP048NPbF work? This is what's being sold with the PASS DIY F6 kits. Although Pd is only 140W vs 180W...
Most N MOSFETs will work, just some better than others... BUT they must have enough voltage headroom, as their Sources swing negative as well as positive... so this has to be double the power supply voltage plus a good safety margin.

Sadly the IRFP048NPbF part is specified with a Vdss at 55V which is too low.

The IRF150 with a Vdss of 100V is the minimum I would recommend, these were the type I originally used in my first versions.

I look carefully at the "Drain to Source Volts" graphs - one is looking for as flat as possible in the bottom 1 to 10A range lines. The "knee" in the left-hand side from zero to where it goes flat is the headroom voltage one is looking for on top of the normal power usage peaks on the primary side waveform.

My main stereo monoblock amps have about 38V to 40V DC supplies; so the maximum possible swing is c, 80V, and then a 20V margin would give 100V minimum.

Higher than 100V is fine, as one is looking at the overall parameters, up to c. 500V; The STW34NB20 is 200V, the IXTH20N50D is 500V.

The IRFP250MPBF looks interesting, definitely worth a try.

As to matching, some MOSFETs are excellent straight out of the tube, I found the STW34NB20 to be excellent in that regard. Others like the IXTH20N50D depletion MOSFETs are all over the place and one needs lots of parts to sort to get paired matches.

Up to 10mA preferred (20mA okay) difference in biasing at c. 750mA per MOSFET is fine with EI-120 laminations, which have a small nominal air-gap by the default of being E and I pieces stacked together. For a toroid core one would want as good as possible, which is why using mains types with dual 120V windings as the primaries are a problem since they will be of different lengths and thus resistance.

I did try making it adjustable between pairs, but it was adding pain and I wasn't convinced it was not causing more issues than it solved.
 
What voltage is needed to drive the PA to full output? Could its input transformer be driven by a tube or SS preamp that has a cathodyne output (triode or LND150) in place of the line amplifier section?
Depends on the configuration, transformer specifications, and supply-voltage.

Yes, one can use a lower output impedance circuit to drive the power stage - a headphone output for example, or a follower. The input transformer as specified isn't designed for biasing though one could of course make something that is.

The line-driver output-transformer and the power-stage input-transformer are designed to operate as a pair - it is in effect a single transformer split into two parts. This minimizes the length of the step-up secondary-windings and the interwinding-capacitance, etc. which would otherwise be much greater if it was all on the same bobbin-core. I can then also optimize the core materials, i.e. M6 for the first and MuMetal for the second, which would be prohibitively more expensive if everything was on a single EI-96 core.

Depending on the output impedance you may need to adjust the power-stage's Rterm value to get the best performance, otherwise if mismatched you will get a roll-off or peak at the high-frequency end of things.

As an aside, our Oppo BD player has 2.1V ac max output, which is 2.95V peak-to-peak referenced to ground on the phono outs, but also has balanced XLR to the same 2.95V peak level which doubles the effective output signal.
 
This is basically what I was thinking.
I am interested in using this for guitar amplification, so bandwidth and distortion are less of a concern.
I think I read somewhere previously in this thread that the Line Amplifier section had an over gain of 4x? If that's true, then about 10v is needed at the input of the PA's input transformer to drive the PA to full output?
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Hi @stephenl5 ... Thanks for the circuit.

You have a phase-splitter driving a centre-taped transformer, which is itself a phase-splitter.
This isn't going to work as you might think, as the reflected impedance the tube sees is 600 ohms (depending on Rterm).
As it's a transformer, you only need one isolating capacitor - the two in series halves the capacitance so doubles the LF cutoff.

TubeCAD circuit SE Phase-Splitter

From here: https://www.tubecad.com/2018/07/blog0433.htm "Extra Super Simple Tube Circuits" about 3/4 the way down the page.

Did you consider having the tube phase-splitter directly driving the MOSFET inputs?