Acoustic Horn Design – The Easy Way (Ath4)

BTW, I've been playing with free standing axisymmetric waveguides for a while and I can tell you these seem to be really the holy grail. I begin to think that making a rolled-back free standing waveguide is even better than making one built into a baffle as the rollback can be even smoother and the rest is not so important. Unfortunately the shape is not a simple closed formula anymore, which would complicate a similar optimization but maybe not that much after all.

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But isn't that always the case with these newer designs? i.e. no significant diffraction from the waveguide. Seems to me that concern would be minimal.
It is the case with the newest axisymmetric designs by they also have tilted power response, i.e. rising DI a bit. It seems that as one tries to make the DI really constant the axial ripple and narrowing and widening start to appear no matter what. My explanation is that the (almost) conical profile needed for the "real" constant directivity is difficult to terminate as smoothly in a resonably finite size - seems logical after all. Once it is curved all the way along, even if only a little, it's much easier but also the DI rises. That said, I'm still not sure that the mildly rising DI with a flat direct response are a bad thing.

Maybe with rectangular waveguides, both the constant DI and smooth listening window are possible, at least it seemed so. I'm so excited that the axisymmetric ones can also be so good that I kind of abandoned the rectangular ones for a while.
 
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Are the response irregularities around 2.2 kHz and 4.7 kHz due to your measuring rig/environment, or part of the waveguide behavior?
Please bear in mind that these are not anechoic data yet and it may thus be difficult to judge on the real waveguide behaviour.

What irregularities do you mean, BTW? I don't see any at those frequencies.
 
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Have you ever measured a compression driver? :) What you show are completely common and benign deviations from flat response, handled in crossover/EQ (and it's only +- 2dB). What's of the paramount importance is whether all the polars are the same like this, i.e. if it's really the driver that's the cause. If they are, a simple EQ corrects it all (remind you, both amplitude and time aspects together).

This would be no problem at all.
 
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Here we go :) I only don't understand what horn was measured - on the photo is that already the huge one with a 2" throat I designed? That Radian is a 1" driver, isn't it. Are you using some throat adapator, or...?

This is the small 1" that you designed for me. Actually I was using a 'screw on' adapter - and a bit skeptical as to how well it mates with the driver. I'm going to attach the driver directly and measure again. I'm new to ARTA. This is the Holm plot with phase. What measuring software do you use?
 

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This is the small 1" that you designed for me.
Oh, did I? I almost forgot, had to look that up. Indeed, it was only about 11.5" large. Nice.

This is the Holm plot with phase. What measuring software do you use?
I still try to use Holm whenever possible. I really like the complete control over the process. In the other programs, I always feel there's something happening "behind the scene", I don't know why. In ARTA this is especially the case with the phase response calculation - I don't consider it very transparent (I have no doubts it can be used reliably). In Holm it couldn't be more open and even with a single channel it works like a charm. Great stuff, really.

I'm only not sure that this is the right thread to consult the measurements issues per se. I'm sure there's a plenty of great help around here.
 
The discussion on DI isn't quite clear to me.
Nearly all well-regarded loudspeakers have a rising DI.

Some argue a slightly rising directivity in the top octave is to be preferred in 'average', untreated rooms that aren't hall-sized.
 

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The Genelecs, for example, are pretty close to that target. See how they are rated.

Yes, but these are first and foremost specifically designed for (treated) studios.
Moreover, it seems fairly constant coverage is most important throughout the midrange and lower treble.

Your best efforts so far, are close to ideal wrt DI.
I would go so far as to state that above a certain DI other factors are more important to the perceived quality, such as low diffraction

One more question about the HF1440 horn: is the intersection of the real and imaginary parts above or below 1000Hz?
 
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