No, but I suppose the cone might not be as rigid due to larger size and similar weight, and there might be more bass output and less highs.
I think you will only gain a bit more bass output while other areas might suffer.
But for OB and standalone the 15 inch might be a better choice overall due to cone area and thus more low end.
On the other hand you could just put the 12 inch into a closed box.
It will still sound superb.
Alternatively you could add a sub.
Thanks. My objective is only HF to midrange and nothing below 100Hz. Below 100Hz, its a 15" woofer doing the low end duty. Its a 2 way OB setup.
So using Fane 15" instead of 12" Fane would rather make me lose HF and midrange ? No benefits here in going from 12" to 15" ?
I have not compared them myself, but the 15" has very much energy up top. You are not loosing HF and midrange with the 15", they are probably different in some areas like off-axis, but both have a rising response. The 15" is probably more sensitive/gives more spl/watt.
I have not had the time to measure the one driver I used diluted PVA on, but did have to remove the experimental eq that was running. So now the treated one is sans eq the stock one is with eq (-8 or -9 db at 7khz).
Might have time to measure them today.
I have not had the time to measure the one driver I used diluted PVA on, but did have to remove the experimental eq that was running. So now the treated one is sans eq the stock one is with eq (-8 or -9 db at 7khz).
Might have time to measure them today.
FR from datasheet for the 15 inch:
FR from datasheet the 12 inch:
Measurement of the 12 inch:
http://www.prodance.cz/data/attachments/Sovereign_12_250TC.pdf
The 12 inch has a little more top end.
But also not as much SPL as the 15 inch.
The 15 inch looks more "flat" and has more low end.
In theory I could measure the 12 inch today.
Let`s see how it goes.
FR from datasheet the 12 inch:
Measurement of the 12 inch:
http://www.prodance.cz/data/attachments/Sovereign_12_250TC.pdf
The 12 inch has a little more top end.
But also not as much SPL as the 15 inch.
The 15 inch looks more "flat" and has more low end.
In theory I could measure the 12 inch today.
Let`s see how it goes.
They were out of stock at Blue Aran - Professional Sound and Lighting but now back in.
I was beginning to wonder if they had stopped making them.
Must have been due to demand.
I was beginning to wonder if they had stopped making them.
Must have been due to demand.
Here. Measured "quite loud" with the umik positioned 61cm distance from center of cone. Tried firing the speakers into the room, but there is a little bit of disturbance of measurement <900hz
I do not get it, the Treated one "sounds" a lot more mellow, maybe it's the very slightly reduced dip between 5-6khz combined with the small reduction of the peak at 6,8khz that makes all the difference?
RED = with PVA
GREEN - Au naturel
No clue. But that was my contribution for now, gonna play some 'choons!
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Added one with 1/12th oct smoothing for easier comparison.
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Actually, from the factory graph, one might argue that the off-axis of the 15" may be better up top. And per watt, the 15" seems more sensitive up top than the 12". But this is nitpicking.
I do not get it, the Treated one "sounds" a lot more mellow, maybe it's the very slightly reduced dip between 5-6khz combined with the small reduction of the peak at 6,8khz that makes all the difference?
RED = with PVA
GREEN - Au naturel
No clue. But that was my contribution for now, gonna play some 'choons!
Edit:
Added one with 1/12th oct smoothing for easier comparison.
Edit2:
Actually, from the factory graph, one might argue that the off-axis of the 15" may be better up top. And per watt, the 15" seems more sensitive up top than the 12". But this is nitpicking.
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I asked Fane how long they will be in production.
They said they got no plans to stop they are selling very well.
That's good to hear, I haven't got around to using one yet.
I have a couple of the 12-250TC's in a sealed box and I am very happy with that.
I got 4 of the 12-250TCs also closed (2 of them, 2 for backup for now).
Can't imagine using anything else.
I am very happy with them. And thats very important, because the missus demanded build stop of speakers for 10 years, 9 left now, I am however interpreting it as "no new purchases of drivers". Luckily I have some spare thingys that needs boxes. 🙂
GP: playing Dr. israel vs loop - Saidisyabruklinmon
Heard that one?
Scott:
It worked really well for me in OB, takes a beating and keeps smiling. It would be my "one driver you can take to a lonely island", provided that I can bring my computer with music and dsp. And a nice amp as well
GP: playing Dr. israel vs loop - Saidisyabruklinmon
Heard that one?
Scott:
It worked really well for me in OB, takes a beating and keeps smiling. It would be my "one driver you can take to a lonely island", provided that I can bring my computer with music and dsp. And a nice amp as well
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I'm so tempted by the minimalist approach. I got close with my Jordan Eikona VTLs, but found I prefered the sound of OB, then, of course minimalism isn't so easy. Bass is the issue. If I wasn't happy with my set-up now, I'd be very interested in these speakers.....still am
Put these puppies in a basic U-frame (maybe just a simple cross brace behind the driver) in 18mm ply, maybe pad it in the back a bit, get the tpa3255 and just go computer eq. Compare cost to a set of small fullrangers and the beta15 together, with either passive filters (expensive), or active with more amps.
I have my woofers in U frames, fine because I crossover low enough to avoid the cavity resonance, which I've heard and is awful. A truly "fullrange" OB would have to be on a simple baffle to my mind
If you have room for it, then that's probably the thing to do. Maybe just some wings on hinges. EQ is no problem, or rather, it wasn't a problem for me. Only tried ca 90 watt max, mixed frequencies.
Yes, it's all about compromise, which keeps it interesting, imagine how boring it would be if there was only one right way to do something 😉
There is!
One right way to do everything: At the best of your ability, surrounding circumstances and budget.
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GP: I take it you do not know Shy FX either? Mostly drum'n'bass, slightly on the "pop" side but he has some classic tunes.
More on the laidback side is the tune "Soon Come" and the Incognito remix of "Feelings".
Soon come:
YouTube
Could not find the Incognito remix of "Feelings" on youtube, but apparently it is on *spotify*, which I loathe with intensity.
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By that definition I've been doing everything wrong my whole life.......not than I plan to stop anytime soon........
Not saying I'm any better.
Half decent "good enough for now" is where it's mostly at. Takes too much time to do everything 100% every single time.
Half decent "good enough for now" is where it's mostly at. Takes too much time to do everything 100% every single time.