HD465 through a dedicated USB powered headphone driver. I had to turn down the Win7 volume from 100 to 6 !
All 7 clips in Post2, (I said the "first set"), have the "anomaly" that my ears tell me is not natural.
All 7 clips in Post2, (I said the "first set"), have the "anomaly" that my ears tell me is not natural.
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My mobile phone is used as a mobile phone and occasionally to text a reply to some texter.
I first listened on a potato... that's my cell phone speakers, on the first set. I could tell that A was pretty different to all of them but then there is a set that have a similar transistor radio veil on them. On the phone C seemed to be the best.
Then went though the first set on the headphones, but I realised how bad the track actually was for a naturality test. I couldn't identify squat, the cymbals were squashed in that clip series, the voice had bits in it that I usually would have used to evaluate naturalness but those parts were fraunhofered to oblivion. I ended up checking out what the other two clips were and finishing my evaluation on clip 2. I put my selection on the poll.
All I will say right now is that the driver presented things very consistently, however also the same driver also seemed to suffer the most from fraunhofer across all clips. It however did present other types of unnaturalness compared to some that did not present as consistently. The fault of Fraunhofer? I'm not sure.
Then went though the first set on the headphones, but I realised how bad the track actually was for a naturality test. I couldn't identify squat, the cymbals were squashed in that clip series, the voice had bits in it that I usually would have used to evaluate naturalness but those parts were fraunhofered to oblivion. I ended up checking out what the other two clips were and finishing my evaluation on clip 2. I put my selection on the poll.
All I will say right now is that the driver presented things very consistently, however also the same driver also seemed to suffer the most from fraunhofer across all clips. It however did present other types of unnaturalness compared to some that did not present as consistently. The fault of Fraunhofer? I'm not sure.
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Your premise is that a real voice and a recorded voice, processed and played back over speakers in an acoustically treated control room, transmitted to your home and played back over different speakers within a different acoustical environment would sound the same. That premise is most likely wrong.
Some measurements of the newly arrived Scan Speak 10F/8424:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/full-range/268626-vifa-tc9fd18-08-best-bang-buck-21.html#post4247669
Once all the new drivers arrive I will have another set of sound clips to compare.
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/full-range/268626-vifa-tc9fd18-08-best-bang-buck-21.html#post4247669
Once all the new drivers arrive I will have another set of sound clips to compare.
OK, I played the game. While I have very strong reservations about home recordings of speakers. I have absolutely no idea what the speakers sounded like in your room when you recorded them, I know what your recordings sound like on my system.
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I downloaded all of the files to my music folder. I played them with Foobar2000 on my HP laptop USB out then converted to SPDIF input to a nanoDIGI, EQ'd and crossed at 250 BW1. The top amp is a Yuan Jing TDA3116D2 playing through MA A7.3's in custom TL's. The bottom amp is a Crown XLS 1500 through stereo Dayton RSS315HF-4's in 2ft^3 sealed boxes.
I tried to move through the clips randomly, as random at a sighted comparison can be. I ran the Norah Jones first and settled on a choice. Then I did clip 2. Absolutely unlistenable on any of the drivers. Shrieky, in-your-face, nearly white noise. OK, if it's too loud, you are too old. The problem with the jazz cut is that since I had already made a choice on clip 1, it was very difficult trying to avoid defaulting to the same choice. but, after a bunch of jumping around, I made a choice and posted it.
To my surprise, my choice was not one of the top three on the poll. The driver I chose was a bit edgier then the rest. I perceived it as more natural while most of the other drivers I felt were too laid back.
If you do this again:
1. Supply the raw cut converted straight to MP3. This would give me a standard as what the clip should sound on my system.
2. As suggested before, a classical clip would be helpful. Actually two. One would be full-blown romantic symphony, the other something like a solo lute.
3. I know you have to have a rock clip, but could you make it something palatable to someone over 30?
I eagerly await the results to see just how far in left field I am.
Bob
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I downloaded all of the files to my music folder. I played them with Foobar2000 on my HP laptop USB out then converted to SPDIF input to a nanoDIGI, EQ'd and crossed at 250 BW1. The top amp is a Yuan Jing TDA3116D2 playing through MA A7.3's in custom TL's. The bottom amp is a Crown XLS 1500 through stereo Dayton RSS315HF-4's in 2ft^3 sealed boxes.
I tried to move through the clips randomly, as random at a sighted comparison can be. I ran the Norah Jones first and settled on a choice. Then I did clip 2. Absolutely unlistenable on any of the drivers. Shrieky, in-your-face, nearly white noise. OK, if it's too loud, you are too old. The problem with the jazz cut is that since I had already made a choice on clip 1, it was very difficult trying to avoid defaulting to the same choice. but, after a bunch of jumping around, I made a choice and posted it.
To my surprise, my choice was not one of the top three on the poll. The driver I chose was a bit edgier then the rest. I perceived it as more natural while most of the other drivers I felt were too laid back.
If you do this again:
1. Supply the raw cut converted straight to MP3. This would give me a standard as what the clip should sound on my system.
2. As suggested before, a classical clip would be helpful. Actually two. One would be full-blown romantic symphony, the other something like a solo lute.
3. I know you have to have a rock clip, but could you make it something palatable to someone over 30?
I eagerly await the results to see just how far in left field I am.
Bob
What can I say? You probably would like my collection either, which among other things contains 300+ works of Vivaldi.😉
Bob
All of that and ultimately your choice is meaningless, because you listened on inherently flawed drivers. 🙄 😉
Interestingly Although I enjoy them, I don't have a single ACDC CD. I actually have a fairly small music collection.
On the classical, I have Vivaldi, Chopin, Mozart, Ravel, Tchaicovsky.
I have a lot of pink floyd
Jenifer warnes, Nick Cave, Eagles, Alan Parsons Project, Beasty Boys, Machine Gun Fellatio, Everlast, Stxy,, suzanne Vega, Jennifer Rutter, Enya, and lots I can't think of off the top of my head.
Tony.
On the classical, I have Vivaldi, Chopin, Mozart, Ravel, Tchaicovsky.
I have a lot of pink floyd
Jenifer warnes, Nick Cave, Eagles, Alan Parsons Project, Beasty Boys, Machine Gun Fellatio, Everlast, Stxy,, suzanne Vega, Jennifer Rutter, Enya, and lots I can't think of off the top of my head.
Tony.
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Front ends:
Marantz CD63KIs, 17KIs
PC digi out > Project DAC Box E x2 (one modded) or Audiolab Q DAC.
Amps:
Gainclone (LM3875), Mission Cyrus 2 + PSX, IconAudio Stereo 20 PP int x2 (one triode strapped), IconAudio Stereo 40 (EL34).
Speakers:
Tannoy 609 - 2 pairs
Tannoy 10" Gold in Chesters
ATC 20
Planet10 Emken
Happier now?
My over-riding impression was one of a flawed recording system, everything had nasty hiss going on which terminated my listening.
I also had to turn things down both listening to cans or speakers.
Weirdly, A_clip1 sounded like the low end part of X's speaker system had delay....
Strange, because the others sounded 'in time', as have other 'clips' X has posted in the past.
So I refrain from voting.
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Sippy,
There was 1.1ms of delay added to the top to time align with the XKi bass unit - uniformly applied across all drivers. You may have ears that are very sensitive to MP3 compression artifacts. Most folks with ears not as gold encrusted as yours are able to listen and come to a subjective conclusion. Even one member is a professional sound producer and mixer with very good ears was able to concentrate and get past the "this is not lossless FLAC playing through boutique DAC's" mindset and make an assessment of which ones he thought sounded good vs bad. This is for fun after all and if you aren't having fun you don't have to play.
There was 1.1ms of delay added to the top to time align with the XKi bass unit - uniformly applied across all drivers. You may have ears that are very sensitive to MP3 compression artifacts. Most folks with ears not as gold encrusted as yours are able to listen and come to a subjective conclusion. Even one member is a professional sound producer and mixer with very good ears was able to concentrate and get past the "this is not lossless FLAC playing through boutique DAC's" mindset and make an assessment of which ones he thought sounded good vs bad. This is for fun after all and if you aren't having fun you don't have to play.
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Yes you right we might attend with varying enthusiasm and skills.
Participated interested and think i can manage and learned too.
The horserace at top as X calls it is fine enough and entertaining for me, at end of race everything can happen
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...😎...😀...😡.Even what matters is ones preference choosen by listening at the equipment one had at hand by comparing.
Thanks share interesting info.
Good idea, as example in advance having knowledge how dry the ACDC track is in reality is great tool to judge the drivers ability to stop transients again. My experience listening this track from CD resolution in headphones is that any HF sound spread is immediately sucked into the damped walls in the studio.
Fanboy here a certain brand or one that choose eye candy design at first ......😀
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Higher volume tend to sound big and near (and loud, of course). In the situation of uneven frequency response, the bump would be more upfront. Quieter portion would be relatively laid back. So I think it's the bright sounded A driver is too pronounced in HF, thus the LF is relatively quieter and laid back.
I (almost) can't believe 1.1 ms delay in such range is audible, with both channels and all other setup being the same, and through all this chain of recording and playback.
ps. this is for replying post #216 & 217
I (almost) can't believe 1.1 ms delay in such range is audible, with both channels and all other setup being the same, and through all this chain of recording and playback.
ps. this is for replying post #216 & 217
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Interesting. Below are a couple of comments I sent to X in PM. Edited to mask my choices.
I noticed this most on the ACDC guitar. Now I may have come to a completely different conclusion to you but it is interesting we were thinking along the same lines (I think).
Tony.
I'd never claim to have jool encrusted ear, I heard the delay and could not listen through it for whatever reason.
Just to be sure to be sure, I listened through my PC's sound card both through hifi and cans with the same ending.
I can also hear the sound of my speakers change as barometric pressure, humidity and temperature change.... some days the combination mean I cant listen..... maybe theres an opening in the market for audiophile air!
Maybe I do have golden ears, on average I watch tv about an hour a day, the rest of my time awake is spent listening to music, which can be up to 14hrs a day as I suffer from insomnia.
Good for 'dawn patrols' 😉
This thread has made me ponder about the direction I am heading for my man cave system, big DC's, stereo horn subs and the lot mashed together with some form of MiniDSP product.
So once again, none of this is a waste of time for me or you X, have told you this before 🙂
And.....
The only bits of my kit I'd consider as Not 'boutique' are the dacs and, theres only a slight jump in performance from the Project > Audiolab.
The Project that runs of batteries is a half way step between the two, which means I've wasted money on the Audiolab.
Grrr!
And.....
The ATC's.... I've not listened to them much - maybe 20hrs - but lack an amp that has what it takes to make them really come alive and I'm going to leave them passive, no twiddling with or gooping stuff on.
And..... I forgot to mention my tuner: Teac S-T500 (listen'd to in mono only!) through a 'not satisfactory' aerial - dont think my neighbours would stand for a big yagi - and till it has a decent twig, it dont get used as reference.
Hi sippy,
If you can hear the change of barometric pressure, humidity and temperature etc., you must have already noticed the frequency response (of ear-brain) changes quite a lot by the hour of a day, especially you listen to music so long each day.
Early in the morning, the ear drum is probably tight, so it's harder to drive into large excursion, thus reduced bass response and relatively pronounced HF. After some 'bombardment' of noise along the hours (or by better circulation of the whole body), it's loosened up. Sounds get obviously mellowerer.
After a noisy day, a long driving for example, the hearing gets exhausted. And everything sounds dull.
Or is it only me?
If you can hear the change of barometric pressure, humidity and temperature etc., you must have already noticed the frequency response (of ear-brain) changes quite a lot by the hour of a day, especially you listen to music so long each day.
Early in the morning, the ear drum is probably tight, so it's harder to drive into large excursion, thus reduced bass response and relatively pronounced HF. After some 'bombardment' of noise along the hours (or by better circulation of the whole body), it's loosened up. Sounds get obviously mellowerer.
After a noisy day, a long driving for example, the hearing gets exhausted. And everything sounds dull.
Or is it only me?
I get ear tiring and have known about it for a Long time from living on R.A.F. bases as a kid.
Weather conditions / combinations can be a creeping change (Summer mostly) > Wild as you like (Winter mostly)
X, you have an inbound pm 🙂
Weather conditions / combinations can be a creeping change (Summer mostly) > Wild as you like (Winter mostly)
X, you have an inbound pm 🙂
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