ok. ...for 500Hz
just for the sake of moving the discussion forward
then what about 600, 700, 800 Hz?
20 cm, 30 cm, 40 cm etc. above the floor?
any ...tip please? 🙂
I do not dare ask for any formula... 😉
-the tip was already provided for reflective conditions vs direct sound: The closer in time, the less effect. The faster the onset, the less effect.
Not much else for me to say on time and "reflections". 😱
Now there might be with respect to time, onset, and intensity with respect to Direct sound. 😉
It might not even be primarily an interaural effect.
Context: "reflective conditions vs direct sound:"
The faster the onset, the less effect any reflective condition will have to direct sound.
ie. direct sound dominates with a fast onset.
the new Shahinian Larc is the most flooder-like of all Shahinian line, just 34 cm high:
http://www.mikemanningaudio.com/NEWTEST2010/IMAGES/SHAHINIAN/Arc_Larc650.jpg
http://www.mikemanningaudio.com/NEWTEST2010/IMAGES/SHAHINIAN/Arc_Larc650.jpg
I've heard a few of their designs back in the early '90s - quite flawed in design and execution, yet still capable of *very* nice sound.
One of the worst parts about the design wasn't really a flaw - more of a choice. The use of less efficient drivers for a more broad-band response. It was sort of like Vandersteen meets Spica (except more of a radial configuration than Spica). One of the key audible characteristics was a thick midrange sound, lack of dynamics, and limited spl.
The real problem however is that Ohm's loudspeakers had similar limitations but overall were better sounding for a similar price. (..though most audiophile purchasers at that time couldn't deal with the lack of clarity in the treble from the walsh-type driver.)
8" coaxial. Could work in flooderish manner when placed on the floor against room side wall, Beveridge way. Tilted top panel helps directing ceiling reflection towards listening position.
Why no one is using in living room ? 😉
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Here we are back on perception of elevation of phantom images. My quick test earlier in this thread indicated high freqs should be directed at the ceiling, or lifted at the ear level, otherwise they seem to be perceived at very low.
Maybe this was not allways like this, or some people hear things differently.
For example here's Michael Gerzon listening setup for matrixed 4 speaker stereo. Quad ESL are placed on the floor, and due to their backwards tilt the high freqs radiate directly to listening position. The incidence angle seems rather low. Still this setup was used in high quality research at the time.
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Interesting question is since when tweeters got placed at the ear level in hifi systems ?
- Elias
Maybe this was not allways like this, or some people hear things differently.
For example here's Michael Gerzon listening setup for matrixed 4 speaker stereo. Quad ESL are placed on the floor, and due to their backwards tilt the high freqs radiate directly to listening position. The incidence angle seems rather low. Still this setup was used in high quality research at the time.
Interesting question is since when tweeters got placed at the ear level in hifi systems ?
- Elias
If I would have to guess where the sound is coming from based on his posture, it's coming from the floor 😉
and from the posture of this doll:
I guess that she quite likes it this way, on the floor 😛
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I guess that she quite likes it this way, on the floor 😛
Look, so many tweeters on the floor level 😱 The sound must be coming from the floor, right
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Look, so many tweeters on the floor level 😱 The sound must be coming from the floor, right
Look at the polar diagrams - the 0 degrees axis IS at floor level 🙂
Nevertheless, a "full" CBT with the 0 degress axis at ear level is probably a great idea.
Yes, and the focal point of the waveform is indeed at the floor.
So, suddenly Keele's CBT has become a next worst thing, the sound is coming from the floor 🙄
But why no one is bothered by this fact ? 😕
I think floor to ceiling straight array is better, no floor and ceiling reflections, and the sound is allways coming from your ear height regardless sitting or standing.
- Elias