over voltage
Hi all,
What would happen if I used more than 50 volts on the input? Does the Mosfet Q4 hold the input at 46 volts?
I'm sorry if this has been answered elsewhere. I have a 50/50 volt plitron looking for a home.
Thanks,
John
p.s. what would it take to create a balanced input?
Hi all,
What would happen if I used more than 50 volts on the input? Does the Mosfet Q4 hold the input at 46 volts?
I'm sorry if this has been answered elsewhere. I have a 50/50 volt plitron looking for a home.
Thanks,
John
p.s. what would it take to create a balanced input?
I was thinking along those lines also, Moe I am in the process to see if it is possible to pursuade Russ White into it As long as it is cool with Mr. Pass ofcoursewho's going to work up a PCB for this amp?
Steen
Check the post 37: http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=854432#post854432
I just bought two of those board to use with Zv9.
I just bought two of those board to use with Zv9.
What would happen if I used more than 50 volts on the input? Does the Mosfet Q4 hold the input at 46 volts?
Hi John,
As long as you provide a reference to the gate (like Zen ver 4), the output will be 3 to 4 volts less, Vgs. As you use higher input voltages then you have to account for the higher dissipation on Q4.
BDP
steenoe said:
I was thinking along those lines also, Moe I am in the process to see if it is possible to pursuade Russ White into it As long as it is cool with Mr. Pass ofcourse
Steen
Hi Steen,
Indeed, I am very excited about the project/PCB. I am working up the schematic right now and will be drawing the PCB soon. I am still doing some reading to be sure I understand what I am doing as much as possible, but I think it will be a very fun project.
I will be looking for input from everybody, and I hope I can get as much great help with this one as I did with Twisted XBOSOZ.
Cheers!
Russ
power supply load...
I'm using psud2 to design a ps for this amp. My 50/50 plitrons may work if I use an lclc filter (10mH@.1ohm), thus dropping the voltage to around 52 volts. That's assuming the ZV-9 offers a 25 ohm load. Hence, my question: is 25 ohms correct? Now, how to lose another 2 volts... (I may be losing my marbles)
Thanks,
John
I'm using psud2 to design a ps for this amp. My 50/50 plitrons may work if I use an lclc filter (10mH@.1ohm), thus dropping the voltage to around 52 volts. That's assuming the ZV-9 offers a 25 ohm load. Hence, my question: is 25 ohms correct? Now, how to lose another 2 volts... (I may be losing my marbles)
Thanks,
John
Russ, that is great news I am sure it will be a very nice project. I guess a lot of people are interested in this particular amp. It shouldnt be difficult to get help if neededIndeed, I am very excited about the project/PCB. I am working up the schematic right now and will be drawing the PCB soon. I am still doing some reading to be sure I understand what I am doing as much as possible, but I think it will be a very fun project.
I am really looking forward to see how your boarddesign turns out.
Steen
Re: balanced version
It will work fine, but keep in mind that it won't deliver more
current in bridge/balanced mode.
carpenter said:While reading the zenlite article, I noticed Nelson created a balanced version of that amp by joining it alongside a mirror counterpart. Is there any reason this wouldn't work with this project?
It will work fine, but keep in mind that it won't deliver more
current in bridge/balanced mode.
Now, about the 0.47 ohm resistor--is it three watts or 1/4 watt? I'm guessing three watts.
3 watts, 2 watts would be fine also.
BDP
0R47 at 3W . . . ? Most probably too small . . .
0R47 takes a role of sensing the amount of the output ac current.
By the way, as the bias is abt 2A with 50% ac current gain, max output I(rms) could be 0.71x4A . . . then, the time-evrage power is 0.5 x 4 x 4 x 0.47 =3.76W . . . I would use . . . mmm . . . 5W rating. Or, 1R 3W // 1R 3W, i.e. 0R5 6W.
Regards
jh
0R47 takes a role of sensing the amount of the output ac current.
By the way, as the bias is abt 2A with 50% ac current gain, max output I(rms) could be 0.71x4A . . . then, the time-evrage power is 0.5 x 4 x 4 x 0.47 =3.76W . . . I would use . . . mmm . . . 5W rating. Or, 1R 3W // 1R 3W, i.e. 0R5 6W.
Regards
jh
BDP is correct. A 2 or 3W resistor is fine.
It's a question of continuous output power, not peak. Let's be generous and say that you're pushing the amp to 20W. Assuming an 8 Ohm load, that's a little less than 1.6A. Using the I(squared)R formula for wattage, a .47 Ohm resistor will experience about 1.2W of heat.
Music being music, it's not going to run the amp to full wattage all the time unless it's grossly overdriven. An old rule of thumb says that the peaks are ten times the RMS power. If you grant that assumption, the actual power dissipation will be less than one-eighth watt.
Still, it's best to be ready for a full power bench test. Use the 2 or 3W, whichever is handy. I use a 3W in cases like this, not because the part can't take it, but so that the resistor will be more comfortable to touch if I'm prodding around in the circuit.
Resistors are robust devices and can take an absurd amount of punishment. You could probably use a .25W part for normal use and a 1W for bench testing, but they would burn you if you touched them. After a while, they would discolor. So would the board. So would your finger.
Grey
It's a question of continuous output power, not peak. Let's be generous and say that you're pushing the amp to 20W. Assuming an 8 Ohm load, that's a little less than 1.6A. Using the I(squared)R formula for wattage, a .47 Ohm resistor will experience about 1.2W of heat.
Music being music, it's not going to run the amp to full wattage all the time unless it's grossly overdriven. An old rule of thumb says that the peaks are ten times the RMS power. If you grant that assumption, the actual power dissipation will be less than one-eighth watt.
Still, it's best to be ready for a full power bench test. Use the 2 or 3W, whichever is handy. I use a 3W in cases like this, not because the part can't take it, but so that the resistor will be more comfortable to touch if I'm prodding around in the circuit.
Resistors are robust devices and can take an absurd amount of punishment. You could probably use a .25W part for normal use and a 1W for bench testing, but they would burn you if you touched them. After a while, they would discolor. So would the board. So would your finger.
Grey
Grey
Yeah . . . I entirely agree with you about all details.
I just started my thinking from the extreme case. And, if all safe at the extreme point, we could stretch our legs and make ourselves eased. If there is apace for a bit bigger resistor and the price is minor part, why not . . . ? . . . Of course, we already have many of 2W or 3W grade sleeping in our room and like to wake them up . . . then . . .
jh
Yeah . . . I entirely agree with you about all details.
I just started my thinking from the extreme case. And, if all safe at the extreme point, we could stretch our legs and make ourselves eased. If there is apace for a bit bigger resistor and the price is minor part, why not . . . ? . . . Of course, we already have many of 2W or 3W grade sleeping in our room and like to wake them up . . . then . . .
jh
Shoot...
Does this mean that I've succeeded in making the ZV-9 half as efficient?
John
It will work fine, but keep in mind that it won't deliver more current in bridge/balanced mode.
Does this mean that I've succeeded in making the ZV-9 half as efficient?
John
Hi,
Concerning the 0.47 ohm resistor...I'd use a 5w one...
Now the question would be which type of resistor sounds best
But then, why not play with its value, say from 0.22 up to 1 ohm...so we'd get various AC current ratio, and maybe discover which one we like most....
Regards,
Vix
Concerning the 0.47 ohm resistor...I'd use a 5w one...
Now the question would be which type of resistor sounds best
But then, why not play with its value, say from 0.22 up to 1 ohm...so we'd get various AC current ratio, and maybe discover which one we like most....
Regards,
Vix
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