For YOU, and Acadamia50....
I was not insulting anyone, I was merely stating differences in people, their tastes, and their priorities, and possible deeper reasons.
If, however, someone got affended, it's likely because of the old saying: "if the shoe fits".
I think you are not being true to yourself.
You said that those of us who have and / or use bare speakers have "bad taste" and you added several disqualifications of the type "they want to stand out with their speakers to cover up their problems" or something like that. Then I jokingly replied that "I enjoy seeing the faces of my visitors, etc." And that's when you didn't hesitate and paid the steering wheel
until you get off the road! Hey, I never force anyone to listen to my equipment, and when kids come I turn them off and point the speakers at the wall to protect them from prying fingers! And now you repeat that challenging way of addressing us as if you were on the verge of getting into the ring, mentioning the saying of the little shoes .....
Look, really, I think you have to separate things, me and many of us here surely have problems, mine are very delicate - as I know yours are -, and I do my catharsis here with some humor to occupy my head positively.
I hope this serves a purpose and I wish the best for you.
PS: If you like classical music, listen to Handel's Messiah, the best version for me is that of Eugene Ormandy with the Philadelphia Orchestra and the Mormon Tabernacle choir.
Those choirs and orchestral arrangements are wonderful! They bring me peace. I especially like track 3 of album 2, here you can listen to previews of all the tracks.
A tender greeting.
Rolando
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@wiseoldtech, at the moment, your moniker could easily just be shortened to 'old'. Nice looking drivers can easily look quite good exposed. its not a good reason to base a purchase on entirely, but with grills, all speakers look pretty much the same and they cover any nice sculptural work in waveguides and other design elements. It doesnt have to shout, but If you find anything but an oldie-worldie wooden rectangular box with a grill, ostentatious and dick swinging, thats all well and good for you personally, but i'm afraid then, that I dont find your opinions on modern design particularly compelling. It would appear you arent that well qualified to comment on design. Thats OK, thats your taste ...
Side-note, the purifi surround reminds me of a bad case of herpes ... 😛 the reasoning for it seems sound and the performance is exemplary, but it sure caught the wrong end of the ugly stick! Form follows function and that would appear to never be more true than here.
Side-note, the purifi surround reminds me of a bad case of herpes ... 😛 the reasoning for it seems sound and the performance is exemplary, but it sure caught the wrong end of the ugly stick! Form follows function and that would appear to never be more true than here.
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See my photo and description of my system here:
(post 3526, last for now)
https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/system-pictures-description.23208/page-177#post-6885659
Take a good look, you will see a small red folder on the right covering the cables that go to the right satellite and subwoofer. Oh yeah, I could have done an installation with this
https://www.amazon.es/Canaleta-Canaletas-Cableado-Eléctrico-Alimentación/dp/B08B7S41K1
going all the way around the door frame ..... there will be time for that, in the meantime I enjoy and play with the tuning of the MC capsule.
I guess what is written above will help you draw your own conclusions.
Yeah, some high tech looking things touches my nerve indeed. I'm totally fine with those Purifi, but I definitely prefer old school horn compared to something like JBL M2 Waveguide...
Then why you have problem with Purifi midbass looks? Its clearly form follows function. They developed surround for lowest distortion, and the measurements clearly prove it.
I do not see the problem. If you do not like the look, do not look at it.
I've never heard a single complaint about any speaker I've brought in to the living room regardless of size or appearance. For some of you I suspect your wives don't actually like you.
It seems that you have arrived late here, start by reading from the beginning, the problem is yours that you do not like that I do not like them, and what is the problem ?
That is simply called a provocation. You are out for me
I thought I made my point clear about my own preferences.
I certainly don't care about speaker "design elements" or related "sculptural work".
Obviously some do, and that's their choice.
And if that were the case for past decades of audio, console stereos and antique radios would have never been adorned with grille cloth.
I'm sure if they had been missing that element, that would have popped some people's eyes out of their heads.
Again, and for the final time, I'm not one who NEEDS to see bare uncovered speakers staring at me.
Yeah , he was just stating his opinion.
which is what the original post asked for.
No need to twist things up.
Im not sure why people would feel insulted.
Even if I had state of the art expensive speakers that looked funny.
I would find it comical, because the obvious is obvious
and its actually just funny.
As with anything that looks strange, first impression will be odd.
I will paint all my speakers pink now, with glitter and unicorns.
And suddenly be surprised and offended when people laugh.
go ahead and laugh at my pretty princess speakers.
the reaction would be expected....duhhh
which is what the original post asked for.
No need to twist things up.
Im not sure why people would feel insulted.
Even if I had state of the art expensive speakers that looked funny.
I would find it comical, because the obvious is obvious
and its actually just funny.
As with anything that looks strange, first impression will be odd.
I will paint all my speakers pink now, with glitter and unicorns.
And suddenly be surprised and offended when people laugh.
go ahead and laugh at my pretty princess speakers.
the reaction would be expected....duhhh
Exactly, I thought it would be interesting to see how many people feel the same "messy object" feeling that seeing those speakers gave me.
Neither did the audio technocrats who object to the place of this thread and seem to have been offended, have not explained whether or not there are CSD graphics and in any case, why, etc.
I apologized publicly if I offended someone for "speaking badly" of the love of their lives, seeing belatedly that there is a collective purchase here of those speakers, have they read it or not? Catch up on it, then. Is it so definitive that these envelopes are a great advance over conventional ones?
Why? because it maintains the same mechanical resistance both to impulse and to retraction? That would be nice, but there is no CSD to confirm it, is it so good that it should measure flat across the useful FR range? Impossible. Forget about it. Get me out of my ignorance in your own words, not uploading specs and a manufacturer's item.
I left the forum for a while and returned, but every time I have less desire to contribute. Know it.
I would not be too upset.
It happens in any forum, and the internet.
Communication in a posted form is just words on a screen.
In real life we listen and react different.
For the most part the Audio forum is full of very intelligent people.
Real life we have patience , can hear tones of the voice.
Speak differently and react in more polite ways.
On internet, that goes away. So even simple reading comprehension mistake.
Or getting offended, or snappy remarks. There is no hesitation.
The person is not standing right in front of you. Just type away on keyboard.
People have more real behavior and get along fine in real life. Become fearless keyboard
warrior on internet.
In real life, we can hear the more comical side in peoples voices.
In real life, can hear what a funny looking speaker sounds like.
And likely hesitate and be more polite or less likely to be offended.
Or wart infested surround most beautiful thing you ever heard LOL 😊
I dont think the practice is a gimmick, it has benefit to improve
direct coupled driver. Rather large benefit or small benefit , any amount to improve.
It happens in any forum, and the internet.
Communication in a posted form is just words on a screen.
In real life we listen and react different.
For the most part the Audio forum is full of very intelligent people.
Real life we have patience , can hear tones of the voice.
Speak differently and react in more polite ways.
On internet, that goes away. So even simple reading comprehension mistake.
Or getting offended, or snappy remarks. There is no hesitation.
The person is not standing right in front of you. Just type away on keyboard.
People have more real behavior and get along fine in real life. Become fearless keyboard
warrior on internet.
In real life, we can hear the more comical side in peoples voices.
In real life, can hear what a funny looking speaker sounds like.
And likely hesitate and be more polite or less likely to be offended.
Or wart infested surround most beautiful thing you ever heard LOL 😊
I dont think the practice is a gimmick, it has benefit to improve
direct coupled driver. Rather large benefit or small benefit , any amount to improve.
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Oh you made it quite clear, I wasnt confused; your old man yells at cloud act was pretty plain to see. Dont act like you were just stating an opinion and each to their own; i'd rather not waste more space quoting you. Even now, you put things that are plain statements of fact in 'quotes'. They are not 'sculptural work', or 'design elements', it is sculptural work and design elements; words, chosen for their literal meanings and there is no question as to their meaning in this context. Here, the resulting design of the engineering hasn't resulted in beauty to my eyes, but good, clean industrial design can be both exceptionally functional and beautiful and attempting to check both of those boxes isnt somehow something to be scoffed at. If it doesnt matter to you and you'd rather speakers looked like furniture, all good, but I just dont find that terribly inspiring. Same with my PCB designs, I like them to look good too; but its not the dominating factor.
Thats a really interesting mid @KSTR thanks for the link. Again, not exactly understated ...
I'm waiting for the 8 and 10" purifi models and if they are priced proportion with the 6.5", then a set of 2 ways with those may end up being something for me to sit on for a bit, or sealed 2 way bliesma 1 1/4 mag dome with a 5-6.5 midwoofer, plus dual 10's, which is essentially the same spec as what i'm building now, but with older drivers. (I cant justify the Be ... yet and not sure I need it and its extended range at nearly 50 years old) . I'm not overly well kitted out on the tool/workshop front, so i'll obsess over the CAD and swallow the cost for the baffles and rear panel (active, but DSP and DAC external) if I cant make a nice CNC machine happen as soon as i'd like.
now, I havent modelled up the drivers to place in this yet (Scan 6.5" 18W revelator + D2905 9700), but i'll knock them up tonight and render it. i'm using DSP, so time alignment on the baffle isnt so important, but i'm also doing one with a waveguide and mounting from behind, with the waveguide and sculpted baffle merging around and flowing into the woofer and those will be time aligned. The first being a (I hope) well considered and clean, smallish but fairly conservative monkey coffin style (see below), 2 way, active digital XO with BR port. first pic is just with mounting spot for a precision ports 3" port, but I will also do one where i've modelled the port into the baffle itself. the second design with waveguide I will go a bit 'crazier' and will probably end up sealed anyway. I dont have any subs till I build those and they'll be a bit later, so i'm starting with the first design with Bass reflex port to extend the bass lower, but will plug them and then replace with sealed.
ostentatious?
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wow, those inline pics are huge. My apologies. I added them normally, but doesnt look like it shows a preview, just the full hires in the body. i'll report it and see if I can fix it. Is that what it looks like to you guys? just like you added some pics to an email.
The images seem to scale based on the size of the window... it's better than what we used to get on the old platform 🙂 Not sure can do anything.