You makes a lot of assumptions either for human being or animals...
We are animals as we are parts of nature.
The fact we have developed (advanced?) cultural and social behavior is no exception though: ethology is interesting to study and you'll quickly realise we are not this exceptional about social and cultural things...
Have you ever heard about 'Koko'? This gorilla learned sign language and prooven to understand some very human feelings. If i remember correctly they even analysed the sound 'koko' produced too... and it was demonstrated only physical limitation ( larynx/voice box is not developped enough to produce distinct sounds) stopped it not to talk...
Studys about differents groups of same animal species around limited area showed 'cultural' differences too.
And if you take the worst things in human behavior, you can find the same with animals too (chimpanzee organising kind of 'genocide' raids, so cute and inteligent dolphins being group rapist,...).
My own conclusion is we are not an exception... and if i take your last sentence: isn't any species unique?
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The brain is conscious when it oscillates at around 40Hz. There is a stream of signals from the brain stem and the thalamus which are essential for consciousness. During consciousness the brain is interconnected while during deep sleep it is not. I think, the oscillations are required to keep some form of intermittent quantum entanglement in synapses which create the various aspects of consciousness. However, this is only an opinion and nothing more.ostripper said:
It seems you are not alone in this opinion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_mind#:~:text=It posits that quantum mechanical phenomena, such as,form the basis of an explanation of consciousness.
Although the hypothesis is untested and can overlap with 'quantum quackery'!
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I do not think it is exactly quantum consciousness in micro-tubuli. That would make the extremely intricate network of neurons almost useless. What I think, yes it sounds more like quackery, and I am fine with it, is that in the synapses particles are intermittently in some or many entanglements, and that a side effect of these entanglements is consciousness and its various aspects. For instance a side effect of a moving electron is an associated magnetic field, I think, consciousness and its various aspects may arise of controlled localised quantum entanglements, but this is only an opinion worthy of nothing.Galu said:
There is a problem in that de-entanglement times are very rapid (femtoseconds), a trillion times faster than the rate at which neurons function (milliseconds).
Im the one making a lot of assumptions? Or is it you? 😉
Thats only if you believe in evolution. If you believe in a creator we were made different to be the exception as no other animal on earth are like us this is just facts you seem to want to deny.
Yeah I have that is still basic instincts that some animals can learn if trained right. Again how so easily you dismiss a physical limitation. Only humans can have intellectual conversations between each other no other species can do this.
Cultural differences is a learn trait or habit depending on ones surroundings/environment. Its nothing special its called adaptation. 😉
Every animal in the world can display those same violent tendencies you mentioned including humans BUT the difference once again is that we humans can distinguish between what is right and wrong and or acceptable in society. We understand abstract concepts like morality, biology, engineering, etc this why we can build great sounding audio gear, unless you know of a species besides humans that have built audio gear?🤣🤣🤣
Even the simplest of task like cooking a meal is to complex for any other animal species. 😉🤣🤣🤣
This all proves we are the exception as no other species in the world can do even 1% of what we humans can do including the simplest of tasks. Any species can be unique but we are the epitome of uniqueness.
My conclusion is that there is no other species in the world except for humans that ponder on the meaning of life. 🤣🤣🤣
Cows and pigs yes, dogs and cats, no for the mere fact that dogs and cats are considered PETS by many people world wide.
Beef,pork, chicken and fish/sea food are considered food sources.
Please apologise but... where are the facts i deny? Your point of view is about belief ( which i totally respect), not facts.
You don't believe in evolution and that is fine to me, but there is facts, study and science prooving it's existence.
You seems to see things in a binary fashion: my own perception of things needs more nuances. I keep on asking myself about things i don't have answer, i doubt and so keep things open: i met scientific researchers which were (very) religious people, they never dismissed scientifical proof in favor of their own belief.
Here i think you make an assumption: what prooves you other species doesn't have intellectual conversation?
With Koko example i don't dismiss physical limitation, i think that with ( enough) time things can evolve... you do not. Ok let's agree we disagree on that point.
Well ok... so eating what some culture consider as pet is a learn traits. So why a taboo as you previously stated? Adaptation, evolution whatever you call it... doesn't mater, it's a question of morality...
You talk about source of foods, including pork. Hmmm, for at least one of the three monotheist religion it's false assumption. And if you enlarge to polytheist religion you'll meet cultures where eating animals is almost forbiden...
This is an aquired trait. Right, wrong... it's always a mater of who and where : morality.
Eg: my own culture have it's political organisation roots in antic Greece ( as well as many others culture which melted into what it is now).
In this society it was totally normal ( even encouraged for some class into society - warriors mainly) to have homosexual relationship and to have slave. Some years later it seems fashion have changed for good ( no slave -theorically-allowed) and bad ( minority discrimination)...
Well ok. Hmmm... i think the main thing which makes us unique is our capacity to kill ourself ( the ability to had the intelligence to produce mass destruction tools (nuclear weapons)) and our environnement.
Mind you, for some scientific we entered a new area which they called anthropocene ( as we are now able to counteract geophysical forces and ruin everything by ourself).
It makes for interesting moral question in my pov.
Here again i doubt about this. Ever seen elephant meeting bones from died members of their native group? I had and the reaction disturbed my own belief on empathy and consciousness of life/death.
That said i admit it's a feeling which could be just anthropomorphism from my side.
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It's funny to realise than a chemical and energetical process created life that created consciousness of that material content .
At least the form of that life, I mean ours, limits the way we comprehend external interactions : limited by the 5 senses and how external is translated by chemical agents to materiliase a limited peception of the exterior to make decisions...(to survive) No doubt the way we invented words and concepts are limited by our own biological substract ! All of that is to survive. You are looking a sense because literatly your legs were looking for a direction to flee, drink, hunt. So the way we think are partially limited by our substract and react to old habits.
You eventually ask this because you have already solved where the fridge and the water closed were... It is totally possible than the invention of metaphysiq abstraction are a biological "cul de sac" (french in the text) because at the scale of a life all our vital needs are filled. The one that will ask the sense of the marriage is leaving the room, please !
Projection as finding solutions is not just human, many species has it. We are just efficient to invent concepts around our needs and materialize them. That is not saying this has any sense like inventing reason to go to mars or religions. There is a chance we just can not find the verity but just paradigms limited by our own substract and its hability to comprehend the whole content around us... I already realise, as you, than of course the word and concept of "content" is limited of course by what we comprehend of the "outside" !
... and the funniest today : while we destroy the needed substract to survive, the planet, we are the only species that has consciousness of that content ! And even funnier to see than the first chemical interactions that are an energetical process try to make this persistent (the life). We are not that different than the fongi in a petri dish ... just a little more complicated due to evolution with the hazardeous selected mutations in that content !
At least the form of that life, I mean ours, limits the way we comprehend external interactions : limited by the 5 senses and how external is translated by chemical agents to materiliase a limited peception of the exterior to make decisions...(to survive) No doubt the way we invented words and concepts are limited by our own biological substract ! All of that is to survive. You are looking a sense because literatly your legs were looking for a direction to flee, drink, hunt. So the way we think are partially limited by our substract and react to old habits.
You eventually ask this because you have already solved where the fridge and the water closed were... It is totally possible than the invention of metaphysiq abstraction are a biological "cul de sac" (french in the text) because at the scale of a life all our vital needs are filled. The one that will ask the sense of the marriage is leaving the room, please !
Projection as finding solutions is not just human, many species has it. We are just efficient to invent concepts around our needs and materialize them. That is not saying this has any sense like inventing reason to go to mars or religions. There is a chance we just can not find the verity but just paradigms limited by our own substract and its hability to comprehend the whole content around us... I already realise, as you, than of course the word and concept of "content" is limited of course by what we comprehend of the "outside" !
... and the funniest today : while we destroy the needed substract to survive, the planet, we are the only species that has consciousness of that content ! And even funnier to see than the first chemical interactions that are an energetical process try to make this persistent (the life). We are not that different than the fongi in a petri dish ... just a little more complicated due to evolution with the hazardeous selected mutations in that content !
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My cat, a long time ago in Zimbabwe, loved to eat crocodile meat which struck me as rather perverse, but who am i to judge? 🙂
The fact that there is no other creature on earth like humans. If there were we wouldnt be the exception.
There is a big difference between scientific (FACTS) proof and scientific theories. Facts never change, while theories keep on changing.
Again Koko is using primitive/very limited communication skills. If you ask any animal, how was there day and what did they do through out the day they wouldnt be able to comprehend it.
WTH? We are talking about cultural behaviors found in animals based on there surrounding environment not about humans eating dogs and cats. 😱
Again why are we talking about eating animals? It does not pertain to our convo. It just seem like you want to change the subject at hand.
WTH? Once again we are talking about animals not being able to comprehend abstract concepts like morality. I am not talking about what we humans deem moral of what is right and wrong. Where is the SMDH emoticon?🤣
Suicide and large scale destruction is one of the many things that makes us unique unless you believe a monkey can build nukes? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Again I am not questioning human morality in our convo.. 🙄🙄🙄
Mourning/empathy is a basic animal instinct. Any animal that loses its young will mourn the death to some degree as its basic animal instincts/emotions. The same way a momma bears instinct is to protect/care for her cubs at all cost.
Animals know the difference between life and death but they do not know or understand what is the meaning of life or death as they cant comprehend abstract concepts.
Anthropomorphism one of my favorite words in which we give human traits/characteristics that dont exist in animals.