Please ground the regulator center pins, as Mooly advised, then measure regulator VIN or volts to ground at R37 and R38.
VIN should be +- 20vdc or more. If a VOUT is less than 15vdc, then the regulator max ampere is exceeding and the regulator is protecting itself.
Measure across R16,R22,R29 and R32 is 3.19VDC. I connected C13 and C23 as in the attached picture, I tested again and the measure is 3.17VDC. at all 4 resistors!
Renato
Attachments
Vin between R37 and U3 ground (center pin): +2.92VDC.
Vin between R38 and U2 ground (center pin): 1.18mVDC.
Vout between R10 and U3 ground: -4.3VDC.
Vout between R14 and U2 ground: +7.18VDC.
Here in Italy is after midnight: it is time to sleep ....
Renato
And you are measuring across these ? The voltage across each.
Look at the circuit. If you have 3 volts across these then that means you have I=V/R which is 3/10 = 0.3 amps flowing. That would load and kill the power power supply rails.
Adding a link across C23 should remove any forward bais voltage to the FET's and force a zero bias current.
So something is wrong. Either the 3 volts you measured is not across the resistors
or the reading is real and the FET's have a problem. Following the guide on this website, it is not necessary to put insulator pads because the heatsinks are not grounded. I just used some thermal grease as suggested.
I am going to repeat all measurements you and fubar3 suggested double checking with two different multimetersAnd you are measuring across these ? The voltage across each.
Look at the circuit. If you have 3 volts across these then that means you have I=V/R which is 3/10 = 0.3 amps flowing. That would load and kill the power power supply rails.
Adding a link across C23 should remove any forward bais voltage to the FET's and force a zero bias current.
So something is wrong. Either the 3 volts you measured is not across the resistors
renato
I just double checked with two multimeters and I confirm that that at both pins of R16, R22, R29, R32 I measure about 3VDC.
Things are even getting worse because yesterday both D5 and D6 leds were lighting but now D5 is off.
Can I continue to make measurements?
As you see I am not expert; I can follow instructions without understanding too much. I was able to easily build a couple of gainclones, the B1 Korg, the Aleph J amp and even a DAC with smd but now I realize I was just lucky
Renato
Things are even getting worse because yesterday both D5 and D6 leds were lighting but now D5 is off.
Can I continue to make measurements?
As you see I am not expert; I can follow instructions without understanding too much. I was able to easily build a couple of gainclones, the B1 Korg, the Aleph J amp and even a DAC with smd but now I realize I was just lucky
Renato
For reference... lets just be clear on this because it is so important. To measure you place one meter lead on one end of the resistor and the other meter lead on the other end of the resistor. The voltage you see is then the voltage across the resistor which then allows us to calculate the current flow.
If you have 3 volts across the resistors then the output stage is drawing excess current.
If you were measuring from ground to the resistors then you have a DC offset issue and the current in the resistors is still an unknown.
And... does it work now
So: the VDC measures were correct: 3VDC.For reference... lets just be clear on this because it is so important. To measure you place one meter lead on one end of the resistor and the other meter lead on the other end of the resistor. The voltage you see is then the voltage across the resistor which then allows us to calculate the current flow.
If you have 3 volts across the resistors then the output stage is drawing excess current.
If you were measuring from ground to the resistors then you have a DC offset issue and the current in the resistors is still an unknown.
And... does it work now
It is the first time for me to remove a three pin device, hard job. I'll let you know the advances, but not so quickly, I started this project 5 months ago and still....
Renato
No
Like this. The voltage ACROSS any of the 10 ohm resistors should be about 0.6 volts.
The voltage from ground to the resistor centre point (the output) should zero.
The MOSFETs are easily damaged when removed from the foil wrapper. I don't use a static strap but I work on a metal tray to minimize static.
Bad or incorrect components are best removed with an extraction workstation. It only applies heat for perhaps 2 seconds and does not spray solder particles like those economy sucker tools. Lacking that, it is best to cut the component wires or pins before unsoldering the pads.
Forgive me for my poor English: are you suggesting me to replace current fets with new ones instead of trying to re-use them?
Renato
I find it difficult to replace these 3pin devices under heatsinks so I cut the pins and pluck them one at a time with tweezers. However, if I did not have a spare handy, I might try to reuse a device rather than order another.
Perhaps someone can suggest a test circuit for your FETs, I don't have one.
I am pleased to submit my first post after trolling for months. My first build is complete and was an overwhelming success. Following step by step with testing along the way, this build was 100% right out of the gate. Thank you Wayne, and thank you Nelson for allowing this astounding support to the DIY (poor) community.
Attachments
FWIW, I used R9/R10 for Power LED with 10K resistor and 100K on the Pre-outs - not clear in photos. Have not used as Pre yet, but will follow up when I do. Thanks to all who contributed to this thread that gave me the confidence to dive into this project. My last ‘real’ HP amp was a Focal Arche. From an amp perspective, this build is all of what the Arche was after the Burson opamp upgrade.