The Total Idss for a given combination of fets should be about 15-17 ma. It is of course, easiest to just use a single device with a 16ma Idss, like I do, but they are hard to get.
The second stage can be between 7-16ma. However, the key to getting a working design is to make sure that the dc supply resistor(s) are the right value. This is found by totaling the Idss of both stages and selecting a resistor that will keep the second stage device at about 1/2 Idss. This can be 'cut and try' until you get a good solution.
What I did was select the Idss's of both the input and second stage, then select a proper resistance that fed both of them properly. As I did it in batches, one calculation did a whole run of boards, but each of you MUST select the proper resistance so that the 2'nd stage runs in Class A mode. This is why I normally avoid this input circuit for most designs outside my personal attention, like AI or Parasound. Get it wrong, and it won't work. What you can do is start with a slightly higher resistance, like 500 ohm, then parallel a resistor, one on both sides, until you get lowest distortion at 1V or more.
The second stage can be between 7-16ma. However, the key to getting a working design is to make sure that the dc supply resistor(s) are the right value. This is found by totaling the Idss of both stages and selecting a resistor that will keep the second stage device at about 1/2 Idss. This can be 'cut and try' until you get a good solution.
What I did was select the Idss's of both the input and second stage, then select a proper resistance that fed both of them properly. As I did it in batches, one calculation did a whole run of boards, but each of you MUST select the proper resistance so that the 2'nd stage runs in Class A mode. This is why I normally avoid this input circuit for most designs outside my personal attention, like AI or Parasound. Get it wrong, and it won't work. What you can do is start with a slightly higher resistance, like 500 ohm, then parallel a resistor, one on both sides, until you get lowest distortion at 1V or more.
Thank you very much. I have perfectly matched K170/J74 Gr grade with Idss values of about 5ma. Is it possible to use four in parallel at the input?
Yes, 4 devices in parallel is OK, but the second stage needs hi Idss too. You might have to parallel 2 devices in the second stage.
I have never seen Vendetta with single 2SK147 at the input. Does it mean two singles in parallel with 16-17ma each, or 8.5ma?
You are right, Kamis. I stand corrected, but my calculations remain the same, just more total Idss, perhaps 24ma on the input stage (with 10 ohm biasing) and then another 10ma for the second stage is optimum. Less will still work, but require a higher value load or feed resistor, maybe even more than 500 ohms, but I can't compute it without knowing what to work with.
Yes, Idss=16.3mA for ONE device ( Grade V ).
About 20V Supply, remember that is simulation only.
I built first stage according to Mr. Curl suggestions.. Everything measures well. I trimmed offset to zero and it is stable even without servo op-amp. I am planning to use OP27 which is 22V device. Original PCB layout is very cleverly designed. All J-fets are genuine and perfectly matched.
How do you trimmed to zero?
Regarding first stage, in my simulations ( with servo ) , the pot between the sources control 2nd and 3rd harmonics ratio , besides controls the current , due mismatch transconductance between N and P channel fets.
Turning 20Ohm trimming pot changes offset at the output and it is easy to trim to zero. It is not its role? You have been posting Vendetta schematics for years. Have you built it?
Is it safe using 18V op-amp ( AD 711 and OPA 134) on Vendetta first stage with Norton zeners adjusted to near 20V?
Not yet.
I was using this circuit as simulation exercise. 😀
What your feel about sound from this nice circuit ?
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Hi ED,thanks for you input. One more quesiton,if I only need MM stage, any parts need to be changed?
thanks.
thanks.
To change the circuit for MM use is possible but I think John Curl would call it "ANOTHER PROJECT", not Vendetta.
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This design is only optimum for MC cartridges. The input stage would have to be changed to other complementary jfets to make it practical for MM cartridges. Don't waste your time.