Hi Scott
The majority of us all grew up eating protein of all sorts & we’ve never once thought about the slaughtering, the sufferings that goes on etc. I would never have thought that poultry animals could exhibit such human like reactions, just look at the duck in the vid ?
The majority of us all grew up eating protein of all sorts & we’ve never once thought about the slaughtering, the sufferings that goes on etc. I would never have thought that poultry animals could exhibit such human like reactions, just look at the duck in the vid ?
I'm not sure why you would refer to that as human like. Animals have been around before humans did in this world. Shouldn't it be referred to as animal's survival instinct like reaction when people carry bear spray when go hiking in the wild?Hi Scott
The majority of us all grew up eating protein of all sorts & we’ve never once thought about the slaughtering, the sufferings that goes on etc. I would never have thought that poultry animals could exhibit such human like reactions, just look at the duck in the vid ?
You could be right that most people are disconnected as regards where their meat comes from and how it is raised and slaughtered. Perhaps the ignorance, for whatever reason, is a generational and/or urban thing. A more widespread knowledge can only be a good thing and hopefully bring about a change for the better.
Regards the video, I see idiots behaving idiotically and cruelly whilst being film by idiots.
Regards the video, I see idiots behaving idiotically and cruelly whilst being film by idiots.
I'm not sure why you would refer to that as human like.
Yup. Anthropomorphism...
scottjoplin,
I suspect the disconnect started to occur during the Industrial Revolution when we were switching from a mostly agrarian society to an industrial one which isolated people from farm life. The finale was the Big-Box grocery store with prepackaged meat. (Mom, where does meat come from? Silly child, it comes from the grocery store. )
I grew up in a time when my family would slaughter it's own meat. My mother's side of the family was farmers in GA, and they raised hogs and chickens. I was taught to process a chicken, and watched hogs slaughtered and processed. I have never seen a cow slaughtered but I expect the procedure to be the same.
In my fathers family, my Grandfather was a butcher, back in the day when a small town butcher had his own meat locker.
By the time I was 3, I was taught how to fish, and clean the fish. By the time I was 8 I was given a shotgun and taught how to hunt.
I have no qualms about what I eat. I do have problems with "Trophy Hunters" and Poachers.
I suspect the disconnect started to occur during the Industrial Revolution when we were switching from a mostly agrarian society to an industrial one which isolated people from farm life. The finale was the Big-Box grocery store with prepackaged meat. (Mom, where does meat come from? Silly child, it comes from the grocery store. )
I grew up in a time when my family would slaughter it's own meat. My mother's side of the family was farmers in GA, and they raised hogs and chickens. I was taught to process a chicken, and watched hogs slaughtered and processed. I have never seen a cow slaughtered but I expect the procedure to be the same.
In my fathers family, my Grandfather was a butcher, back in the day when a small town butcher had his own meat locker.
By the time I was 3, I was taught how to fish, and clean the fish. By the time I was 8 I was given a shotgun and taught how to hunt.
I have no qualms about what I eat. I do have problems with "Trophy Hunters" and Poachers.
I notice that no one even mentions the poor plant and the murder of plants for food.
They have feelings too.
Just because they cannot express emotions like we are used to does not mean they do not have them.
Plants get really stressed when you come at them with a knife.
since pain and cognitive ability are associated with a nervous system and plants lack nervous systems, how can they have feelings?
Yes, I missed them. I do not come to this forum to have people select a zillion youtubes for me to watch. I can find plenty on my own.
But that avoids the issue. Plants have feelings too.
They just do not express themselves in a way that is easily recognizable by people.
since pain and cognitive ability are associated with a nervous system and plants lack nervous systems, how can they have feelings?
Hook the plant up to an EEG and you can see their response, or use an fMRI.
You can also see them move away from you if you use a time lapse photography.
You'll have to tell me. It was your claim about urges. You explain it.So there is "urge" and there is "day-to-day urge"? What's the difference?
That would be them moving towards the light. We could do with some light reliefHook the plant up to an EEG and you can see their response, or use an fMRI.
You can also see them move away from you if you use a time lapse photography.
A problem here is that we are more likely to project our feelings into animals which we perceive as more like us, thus, potentially feeding into a speciesist narrative.Yup. Anthropomorphism...
I was asking about your post if there is a difference between "urge" and "day-to-day urge".You'll have to tell me. It was your claim about urges. You explain it.
You call that an urge, but it isn't. It's like saying we all have the urge to eat maggots or cockroaches. We don't. If we are starving, we might. But it's not a normal day-to-day urge.
That would be them moving towards the light. We could do with some light relief
nope.
Whatever, seems a bit pointless if they're so slownope.
Health and safety, hygiene, has put a stop to that now?I grew up in a time when my family would slaughter it's own meat. My mother's side of the family was farmers in GA, and they raised hogs and chickens. I was taught to process a chicken, and watched hogs slaughtered and processed. I have never seen a cow slaughtered but I expect the procedure to be the same.
Found this Schools abandon dissection in Biology lessons over health and safety fears - Telegraph
Whatever, seems a bit pointless if they're so slow
Just because they are slow does not mean they cannot feel.
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